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	<title>Comments on: Obama: They Said We Couldn&#8217;t Fast-Track Chrysler, Now I&#8217;m Doubling Down</title>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;dude, you ain’t no idiot&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s my gig around here&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;an if you keep writin well thought out comments that make several relevant points, yer gonna screw up my gig&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if yer gonna claim to be a member of the idgit chorus around here, stop writin such smart posts&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(wink)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this is a REALLY GOOD question to ask the brainiacs here:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I guess the larger question is whether the amount of money we pumped into these two companies was worth it to have them go under in the Spring instead of the Fall.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;let’s try an find an answer&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude, you ain’t no idiot</p>
<p>that’s my gig around here</p>
<p>an if you keep writin well thought out comments that make several relevant points, yer gonna screw up my gig</p>
<p>if yer gonna claim to be a member of the idgit chorus around here, stop writin such smart posts</p>
<p>(wink)</p>
<p>this is a REALLY GOOD question to ask the brainiacs here:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>I guess the larger question is whether the amount of money we pumped into these two companies was worth it to have them go under in the Spring instead of the Fall.</strong></p>
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<p>let’s try an find an answer</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BK as the Bob Corkers of the world would have had it would have been with no government support, and therefore no debtor in possession funding, and therefore would have been liquidation, at least for Chrysler. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BK here is reorganization to eliminate the competitive disadvantages that the Big 2.5 have been fighting for years. Whether you acknowledge the changes taht GM has already made or not (I agree that Chrysler was a dog), the reasons for the continued difficulties (and inability to explain to people that their product has gotten better) are largely those competitive disadvantages. And boneheaded management, though GM at least has/had turned that largely around too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BK as the Bob Corkers of the world would have had it would have been with no government support, and therefore no debtor in possession funding, and therefore would have been liquidation, at least for Chrysler. </p>
<p>BK here is reorganization to eliminate the competitive disadvantages that the Big 2.5 have been fighting for years. Whether you acknowledge the changes taht GM has already made or not (I agree that Chrysler was a dog), the reasons for the continued difficulties (and inability to explain to people that their product has gotten better) are largely those competitive disadvantages. And boneheaded management, though GM at least has/had turned that largely around too.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/01/obama-they-said-we-couldnt-fast-track-chrysler-now-im-doubling-down/#comment-162942</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WHy none of the health care plans on the table will do a damn thing for the costs employers now pay, meaning we’re still not going to fix what makes employing people in the US competitively too expensive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHy none of the health care plans on the table will do a damn thing for the costs employers now pay, meaning we’re still not going to fix what makes employing people in the US competitively too expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 12:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Only he got it wrong–it was beer thirty…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only he got it wrong–it was beer thirty…</p>
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		<title>By: RIRedinPA</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIRedinPA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m an idiot so someone please fill me in. Chrysler going into bankruptcy, if only for a week is a good thing. As well GM?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look, as I’ve mentioned, I’m an idiot. Back in November, when the Bushies were throwing around the initial bailout Detroit plans I told my co-workers that the money the government was throwing at Detroit was a waste because, like the banks, if they didn’t change their core business practices to deal with the modern economy they would be bankrupt in six months regardless (June 2009).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And come June 2009 both companies have filed for bankruptcy. I don’t posses an MBA, in fact, my first year of college after I got out of the Army I was an accounting major and squeaked out a measly 2.2 GPA before changing majors. So if someone with my business acumen could see this coming I would have to think, even in the Bush administration, someone would see it as well. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My thoughts on this is that the Bush administration was just playing kick the can with the auto bailout. Get them through January and let the next guy deal with it. I think the Obama’s knew both these companies were failed enterprises but didn’t think the economy, Wall Street, my parents, etc. could deal with more bad news, kind of a straw and a camel’s back deal. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems to me they decided to float Chrysler and GM till the spring, hoping the stimulus package would be perking the economy up somewhat. The gamble seems to be paying off, Wall Street numbers are up, retail sales seem to be glacially improving, unemployment is still a drag but we’re not hemorrhaging like we were, oil prices are up but we’re all use to our summer fleecing by the oil companies and OPEC and we just shrug it off as part of being American, and who isn’t optimistic when flowers are blooming and baby birds tweeting. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perfect time to roll these two pigs over. Sure, GM an Chrysler will be back, albeit different companies, but a lot of workers are going to be permanently out of jobs and a lot of suppliers might not be able to make it through a restructuring period. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess the larger question is whether the amount of money we pumped into these two companies was worth it to have them go under in the Spring instead of the Fall.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m an idiot so someone please fill me in. Chrysler going into bankruptcy, if only for a week is a good thing. As well GM?</p>
<p>Look, as I’ve mentioned, I’m an idiot. Back in November, when the Bushies were throwing around the initial bailout Detroit plans I told my co-workers that the money the government was throwing at Detroit was a waste because, like the banks, if they didn’t change their core business practices to deal with the modern economy they would be bankrupt in six months regardless (June 2009).</p>
<p>And come June 2009 both companies have filed for bankruptcy. I don’t posses an MBA, in fact, my first year of college after I got out of the Army I was an accounting major and squeaked out a measly 2.2 GPA before changing majors. So if someone with my business acumen could see this coming I would have to think, even in the Bush administration, someone would see it as well. </p>
<p>My thoughts on this is that the Bush administration was just playing kick the can with the auto bailout. Get them through January and let the next guy deal with it. I think the Obama’s knew both these companies were failed enterprises but didn’t think the economy, Wall Street, my parents, etc. could deal with more bad news, kind of a straw and a camel’s back deal. </p>
<p>It seems to me they decided to float Chrysler and GM till the spring, hoping the stimulus package would be perking the economy up somewhat. The gamble seems to be paying off, Wall Street numbers are up, retail sales seem to be glacially improving, unemployment is still a drag but we’re not hemorrhaging like we were, oil prices are up but we’re all use to our summer fleecing by the oil companies and OPEC and we just shrug it off as part of being American, and who isn’t optimistic when flowers are blooming and baby birds tweeting. </p>
<p>Perfect time to roll these two pigs over. Sure, GM an Chrysler will be back, albeit different companies, but a lot of workers are going to be permanently out of jobs and a lot of suppliers might not be able to make it through a restructuring period. </p>
<p>I guess the larger question is whether the amount of money we pumped into these two companies was worth it to have them go under in the Spring instead of the Fall.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are no guarantees in life, only hopes dreams and our best efforts.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, and government-backed warranties!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no guarantees in life, only hopes dreams and our best efforts.<br />
Oh, and government-backed warranties!</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are too funny. Enjoy DC. Loved living there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are too funny. Enjoy DC. Loved living there.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So long as you don’t split a pair of jokers, double down and end up with a Royal Flush. That would be awkward to explain.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long as you don’t split a pair of jokers, double down and end up with a Royal Flush. That would be awkward to explain.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If it always requires a person involvement with Conservatives, then it would take a long time to get those old white men to go out into the world. Maybe that’s why they brought so many people from all over to Gitmo — it saved them having to leave their cushy offices.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, their idea of ‘relating’ to those folks wasn’t kind…to say the least. Couldn’t they at least have offered tea with sugar-free cookies?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Can’t we all just get along?” — King&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it always requires a person involvement with Conservatives, then it would take a long time to get those old white men to go out into the world. Maybe that’s why they brought so many people from all over to Gitmo — it saved them having to leave their cushy offices.</p>
<p>Of course, their idea of ‘relating’ to those folks wasn’t kind…to say the least. Couldn’t they at least have offered tea with sugar-free cookies?</p>
<p>“Can’t we all just get along?” — King</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What’s the Onion gonna do now? It must be frustrating to have a headline ready to go and then it gets ruined when Cheney speaks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You don’t think the Repubs have eyes in the Onion offices do you? Man that would be really bizarre.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s the Onion gonna do now? It must be frustrating to have a headline ready to go and then it gets ruined when Cheney speaks.</p>
<p>You don’t think the Repubs have eyes in the Onion offices do you? Man that would be really bizarre.</p>
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