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	<title>Comments on: Roland Burris: &#8220;Fred Is Dying on the Vine&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: SparklestheIguana</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/30/roland-burris-fred-is-dying-on-the-vine/#comment-162634</link>
		<dc:creator>SparklestheIguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But Burris insisted Wednesday to reporters he never engaged in a “pay to play” scheme for the job.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And he told reporters Thursday that he shouldn’t be blamed for any lack of candor to the state panel because lawmakers asked the wrong questions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“You all have got it backwards,” said Burris, a former state attorney general. “It is not upon a person who is testifying to go out of his way on anything. It is the person who has to ask the questions.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(CQ Politics)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Charming, the high level of standards to which some people hold themselves….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Burris has raised $845 in the first 3 months of this year for his 2010 campaign war chest.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with Mad Dog @2.  Senate Ethics Committee will at most censure Burris.  But I think the chances of Sangamon County prosecutor going after him for perjury are better than 50%.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But Burris insisted Wednesday to reporters he never engaged in a “pay to play” scheme for the job.</p>
<p>And he told reporters Thursday that he shouldn’t be blamed for any lack of candor to the state panel because lawmakers asked the wrong questions.</p>
<p>“You all have got it backwards,” said Burris, a former state attorney general. “It is not upon a person who is testifying to go out of his way on anything. It is the person who has to ask the questions.”</p>
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<p>(CQ Politics)</p>
<p>Charming, the high level of standards to which some people hold themselves….</p>
<p>Burris has raised $845 in the first 3 months of this year for his 2010 campaign war chest.</p>
<p>I agree with Mad Dog @2.  Senate Ethics Committee will at most censure Burris.  But I think the chances of Sangamon County prosecutor going after him for perjury are better than 50%.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/30/roland-burris-fred-is-dying-on-the-vine/#comment-162515</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 06:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;… then of course there’s this: Even if the tapes you appear on don’t result in immediate charges, once they’ve been recorded there’s always the possibility that they resurface in some other, perfectly legitimate fashion, i.e. no dastardly political leaks necessary …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wonder &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suntimes.com/news/brown/1599406,CST-NWS-brown31.article&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how many in Chicago&lt;/a&gt;, especially, are connecting the Burris and Carothers stories in that way?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Suggested thread music: “Meditation” from &lt;i&gt;Thaïs&lt;/i&gt; by Massenet, or “Dance of the Blessed Spirits” from &lt;i&gt;Orfeo ed Euridice&lt;/i&gt; by Glück; believe me, almost everyone’s heard these pieces, whether you recognize the names or not.]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>… then of course there’s this: Even if the tapes you appear on don’t result in immediate charges, once they’ve been recorded there’s always the possibility that they resurface in some other, perfectly legitimate fashion, i.e. no dastardly political leaks necessary …</p>
<p>Wonder <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/brown/1599406,CST-NWS-brown31.article" rel="nofollow">how many in Chicago</a>, especially, are connecting the Burris and Carothers stories in that way?</p>
<p>[Suggested thread music: “Meditation” from <i>Thaïs</i> by Massenet, or “Dance of the Blessed Spirits” from <i>Orfeo ed Euridice</i> by Glück; believe me, almost everyone’s heard these pieces, whether you recognize the names or not.]</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/30/roland-burris-fred-is-dying-on-the-vine/#comment-162504</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 02:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are a common scold that thinks your petty political whims are more important than the rule of law.  You have exhibited this on both this issue and many others.  You now attempt to hide behind Marcy’s skirts as somehow protecting your base and rank bullshittery.  I’ll have none of that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are a common scold that thinks your petty political whims are more important than the rule of law.  You have exhibited this on both this issue and many others.  You now attempt to hide behind Marcy’s skirts as somehow protecting your base and rank bullshittery.  I’ll have none of that.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 02:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have no idea what the required, um, obeisances would be for the feds to let the state in on a case, but the reverse kind of partnership is all the rage these days as the great Augean-by-the-Lake cleanup continues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s the most recent example of the state bringing the feds in on a case which the latter then charge:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/ln9pcq&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Feds probe city pension deals with Daley’s nephew&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The nephew in question, is the same developer who’s supposed to get the lion’s share of contracts for tearing up the south Washington Park neighborhood (mine) to put in the Olympic stadium.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I must say, all by itself the announcement was pretty breathtaking, showing as it does a committed persistence by the state (a former Fitz assistant) and feds in rounding up the problem. But also this week in federal indictments,&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/lj36y2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ald. Carothers indicted on fraud, bribery charges&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Isaac Carothers being what’s iz name’s chief gospel shouter in the City Council. His story has too many mordantly humorous sidelights to go into, here or anywhere, but quite relevant was a masterpiece of a buried lede that only got headlined the next day:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/kmxlto&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ald. Isaac Carothers wore wire for a year&lt;/a&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;A fascinating pair of cases. I suppose the Carothers pinch signals that whatever he was wired for has borne whatever fruit it will.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea what the required, um, obeisances would be for the feds to let the state in on a case, but the reverse kind of partnership is all the rage these days as the great Augean-by-the-Lake cleanup continues.</p>
<p>Here’s the most recent example of the state bringing the feds in on a case which the latter then charge:</p>
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<a href="http://tinyurl.com/ln9pcq" rel="nofollow">Feds probe city pension deals with Daley’s nephew</a>
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<p>The nephew in question, is the same developer who’s supposed to get the lion’s share of contracts for tearing up the south Washington Park neighborhood (mine) to put in the Olympic stadium.</p>
<p>I must say, all by itself the announcement was pretty breathtaking, showing as it does a committed persistence by the state (a former Fitz assistant) and feds in rounding up the problem. But also this week in federal indictments,</p>
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<a href="http://tinyurl.com/lj36y2" rel="nofollow">Ald. Carothers indicted on fraud, bribery charges</a>
</p>
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<p>Isaac Carothers being what’s iz name’s chief gospel shouter in the City Council. His story has too many mordantly humorous sidelights to go into, here or anywhere, but quite relevant was a masterpiece of a buried lede that only got headlined the next day:</p>
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<a href="http://tinyurl.com/kmxlto" rel="nofollow">Ald. Isaac Carothers wore wire for a year</a>
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<p>A fascinating pair of cases. I suppose the Carothers pinch signals that whatever he was wired for has borne whatever fruit it will.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/30/roland-burris-fred-is-dying-on-the-vine/#comment-162502</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“No, only aware of the information in the public record.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is abject nonsense.  As Marcy pointed out in several excellent threads on here well before Burris was seated, he was playing fast and loose with the truth about his contacts with Blago, and it was as plain as day that he was doing it.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And as I posted on here several times, only days before his appointment, Burris was calling for Blago’s removal from office.  When it turned out that Blago was willing to put HIM in the Senate (or try to) then Burris’s opinion of Blago’s ability and right to fullfil the duties of his office changed 180 degrees.    Burris was and is, a political whore of the first order.  And it was apparent to everyone.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that wasn’t enough for you, as you posted repeatedly that we HAD to seat him.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And for you now to scold the Senate for the “feckless” qualities that you now profess to see coming, is nothing but outrageous, frontrunning, hypocrisy.  It’s as bad as Burris, himself. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After all of the convoluted logic from you about how the Senate had no right to keep Burris on hold while the piano landed on Blago, you have no right to criticize the U.S. Senate nor really, now that you’ve discovered your distaste for his being in the Senate, Burris, himself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“No, only aware of the information in the public record.”</p>
<p>This is abject nonsense.  As Marcy pointed out in several excellent threads on here well before Burris was seated, he was playing fast and loose with the truth about his contacts with Blago, and it was as plain as day that he was doing it.   </p>
<p>And as I posted on here several times, only days before his appointment, Burris was calling for Blago’s removal from office.  When it turned out that Blago was willing to put HIM in the Senate (or try to) then Burris’s opinion of Blago’s ability and right to fullfil the duties of his office changed 180 degrees.    Burris was and is, a political whore of the first order.  And it was apparent to everyone.   </p>
<p>But that wasn’t enough for you, as you posted repeatedly that we HAD to seat him.   </p>
<p>And for you now to scold the Senate for the “feckless” qualities that you now profess to see coming, is nothing but outrageous, frontrunning, hypocrisy.  It’s as bad as Burris, himself. </p>
<p>After all of the convoluted logic from you about how the Senate had no right to keep Burris on hold while the piano landed on Blago, you have no right to criticize the U.S. Senate nor really, now that you’ve discovered your distaste for his being in the Senate, Burris, himself.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/30/roland-burris-fred-is-dying-on-the-vine/#comment-162501</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 01:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Crap.  Talk about yer equal protection issues.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crap.  Talk about yer equal protection issues.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/30/roland-burris-fred-is-dying-on-the-vine/#comment-162500</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Professional courtesy from sharks is all you’re entitled to.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professional courtesy from sharks is all you’re entitled to.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/30/roland-burris-fred-is-dying-on-the-vine/#comment-162498</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shit!  You mean I can’t get a no conditions and/or oversight bailout, get my ridiculous bonuses protected and paid and keep doing what I am doing???&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit!  You mean I can’t get a no conditions and/or oversight bailout, get my ridiculous bonuses protected and paid and keep doing what I am doing???</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/30/roland-burris-fred-is-dying-on-the-vine/#comment-162495</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz, there’s only one thing left to do - throw yourself off a cliff. You’re irredeemable, you can’t read tarot cards for shit, and your crystal ball sucks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz, there’s only one thing left to do &#8211; throw yourself off a cliff. You’re irredeemable, you can’t read tarot cards for shit, and your crystal ball sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 00:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I mean, we already knew, indisputably, what a political hooker and charlatan Burris was, but that didn’t stop you from flacking for his seating like he was young Abraham Lincoln, when the issue was in doubt. In fact, I’m pretty sure that you fell back on the “they’ll vote him out of office at the mid-terms” idea, as the correction for this. But now you evidently have decided that we need to get him out sooner. I’m just wondering if you’re privy to information not available to anyone else.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, only aware of the information in the public record, and it was insufficient at the time to prove or do what you wanted.  That would have been effectively extra-legal.  In the Senate where it would have been legal, it would have been the most inapt and worst precedents imaginable.  It was mob-mentality based.  I could not support it then and nothing has demonstrated to me that I was incorrect on that.  Your mileage may vary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I mean, we already knew, indisputably, what a political hooker and charlatan Burris was, but that didn’t stop you from flacking for his seating like he was young Abraham Lincoln, when the issue was in doubt. In fact, I’m pretty sure that you fell back on the “they’ll vote him out of office at the mid-terms” idea, as the correction for this. But now you evidently have decided that we need to get him out sooner. I’m just wondering if you’re privy to information not available to anyone else.</p>
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<p>No, only aware of the information in the public record, and it was insufficient at the time to prove or do what you wanted.  That would have been effectively extra-legal.  In the Senate where it would have been legal, it would have been the most inapt and worst precedents imaginable.  It was mob-mentality based.  I could not support it then and nothing has demonstrated to me that I was incorrect on that.  Your mileage may vary.</p>
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