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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/28/liz-cheney-tries-to-avoid-prosecution-question/comment-page-2/#comment-162248</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 21:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok, presence of TPM  Troll (over and over) suggests to me my little theory has merit, I’m pleased to say… &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; (link for that @ 150)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;P.S.  I have a Mac and Firefox.  And seem to have no trouble posting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, presence of TPM  Troll (over and over) suggests to me my little theory has merit, I’m pleased to say… </p>
<p> (link for that @ 150)</p>
<p>P.S.  I have a Mac and Firefox.  And seem to have no trouble posting.</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seeing is believing.  Verify everything.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if any suspected US war criminals’ health suddenly deteriorated, I’d want the families to show the world, like they did when Saddam’s sons’ bodies were found to prove they were dead.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing is believing.  Verify everything.  </p>
<p>if any suspected US war criminals’ health suddenly deteriorated, I’d want the families to show the world, like they did when Saddam’s sons’ bodies were found to prove they were dead.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/28/liz-cheney-tries-to-avoid-prosecution-question/comment-page-2/#comment-162170</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW - Greg &lt;a href=&quot;http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/levin-cia-torture-documents-cheney-wants-dont-prove-squat/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sergeant has a piece up &lt;/a&gt; that Levin has seen the Cheney “secret docs” and they don’t jive with Cheney’s statements. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s a link to a piece and video of Levin at TPM too&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/levin-calls-cheney-a-liar-on-torture.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.....orture.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Levin’s statements were at a dinner for the Foreign Policy Association.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Levin said: “But those classified documents say nothing about the numbers of lives saved, nor do the documents connect acquisition of valuable intelligence to the use of abusive techniques. I hope that the documents are declassified, so that people can judge for themselves what is fact, and what is fiction.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8211; Greg <a href="http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/torture/levin-cia-torture-documents-cheney-wants-dont-prove-squat/" rel="nofollow">Sergeant has a piece up </a> that Levin has seen the Cheney “secret docs” and they don’t jive with Cheney’s statements. </p>
<p>There’s a link to a piece and video of Levin at TPM too<br /><a href="http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/levin-calls-cheney-a-liar-on-torture.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo&#8230;..orture.php</a></p>
<p>Levin’s statements were at a dinner for the Foreign Policy Association.</p>
<blockquote><p>Levin said: “But those classified documents say nothing about the numbers of lives saved, nor do the documents connect acquisition of valuable intelligence to the use of abusive techniques. I hope that the documents are declassified, so that people can judge for themselves what is fact, and what is fiction.”</p>
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		<title>By: plunger</title>
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		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The financial ties between Rockefeller, Dresser and Bush are &lt;a href=&quot;http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:okWSgrpe3GQJ:911review.org/companies/Bush_links_halliburton.html+dresser+%2B+david+rockefeller&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Cheney’s relationship to David Rockefeller &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;is revealed here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The financial ties between Rockefeller, Dresser and Bush are <a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:okWSgrpe3GQJ:911review.org/companies/Bush_links_halliburton.html+dresser+%2B+david+rockefeller&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Cheney’s relationship to David Rockefeller <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg" rel="nofollow">is revealed here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: plunger</title>
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		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Halliburton’s suit against Cheney should be for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresser_Industries&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;acquisition of Dresser Industries&lt;/a&gt; when he has still CEO of HAL.  He knew for a fact that Dresser was about to be hit with class action lawsuits related to Asbestos, yet Cheney willingly took the Dresser liability off the hands of the Bush Crime Family and placed it squarely on the backs of HAL share holders.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once the lawsuits hit, HAL’s stock got creamed, and you can bet your ass that Cheney had a surrogate shorting the stock all the way down on his behalf.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All Cheney had to do thereafter was get elected (with Bush as the Puppet President) - and ensure that 9/11 occurred so that he could designate HAL and its subsidiaries as the sole private support service for the troops he knew he’d be sending to the Middle East.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dresser made Asbestos, and the liability law suits were going to wipe them out.  Cheney took one for the team when he acquired Dresser and all its asbestos liability claims (HAL was punished in the stock market)…the biggest of which was the WORLD TRADE CENTER, PACKED FULL OF ASBESTOS - a $15 billion albatross that the Port Authority was hard pressed to get rid of.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When the Port Authority unloaded the buildings onto Silverstein, the fix was already in.  Cheney literally ran the entire operation on 9/11 (as witnessed by Mineta) and used Dov Zakheim’s SYSPLAN technology to guide the CONVERTED FUEL TANKERS to their targets (remember the huge fireball that exploded OUTSIDE the building?).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was Cheney who instructed Christine Todd Whitman to lie about the levels of asbestos at ground zero, because he didn’t want people to make the connection that the entire operation was simply arson on a grand scale, which eliminated a $15 billion liability from Halliburton’s books.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does it get any more obvious than this?  GW included the issue in his State of the Union speech in 2005:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“To make our economy stronger and more competitive, America must reward, not punish, the efforts and dreams of entrepreneurs. Small business is the path of advancement, especially for women and minorities, so we must free small businesses from needless regulation and protect honest job-creators from junk lawsuits. (Applause.) Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions and frivolous asbestos claims — and I urge Congress to pass legal reforms this year.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Halliburton’s suit against Cheney should be for the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresser_Industries" rel="nofollow">acquisition of Dresser Industries</a> when he has still CEO of HAL.  He knew for a fact that Dresser was about to be hit with class action lawsuits related to Asbestos, yet Cheney willingly took the Dresser liability off the hands of the Bush Crime Family and placed it squarely on the backs of HAL share holders.</p>
<p>Once the lawsuits hit, HAL’s stock got creamed, and you can bet your ass that Cheney had a surrogate shorting the stock all the way down on his behalf.</p>
<p>All Cheney had to do thereafter was get elected (with Bush as the Puppet President) &#8211; and ensure that 9/11 occurred so that he could designate HAL and its subsidiaries as the sole private support service for the troops he knew he’d be sending to the Middle East.</p>
<p>Dresser made Asbestos, and the liability law suits were going to wipe them out.  Cheney took one for the team when he acquired Dresser and all its asbestos liability claims (HAL was punished in the stock market)…the biggest of which was the WORLD TRADE CENTER, PACKED FULL OF ASBESTOS &#8211; a $15 billion albatross that the Port Authority was hard pressed to get rid of.</p>
<p>When the Port Authority unloaded the buildings onto Silverstein, the fix was already in.  Cheney literally ran the entire operation on 9/11 (as witnessed by Mineta) and used Dov Zakheim’s SYSPLAN technology to guide the CONVERTED FUEL TANKERS to their targets (remember the huge fireball that exploded OUTSIDE the building?).</p>
<p>It was Cheney who instructed Christine Todd Whitman to lie about the levels of asbestos at ground zero, because he didn’t want people to make the connection that the entire operation was simply arson on a grand scale, which eliminated a $15 billion liability from Halliburton’s books.</p>
<p>Does it get any more obvious than this?  GW included the issue in his State of the Union speech in 2005:</p>
<blockquote><p>“To make our economy stronger and more competitive, America must reward, not punish, the efforts and dreams of entrepreneurs. Small business is the path of advancement, especially for women and minorities, so we must free small businesses from needless regulation and protect honest job-creators from junk lawsuits. (Applause.) Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions and frivolous asbestos claims — and I urge Congress to pass legal reforms this year.”</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I’ve done a blog on &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2009/05/criminal-mismanagement-a-unify.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My Grand Unifying Theory&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; of the cheney family media circus.  As posted first here: @ 129 and @ 140.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope to assist the &lt;em&gt;Law of Karma&lt;/em&gt;, via these comments here and the TPM blog.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I’ve done a blog on <em><a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2009/05/criminal-mismanagement-a-unify.php" rel="nofollow">My Grand Unifying Theory</a></em> of the cheney family media circus.  As posted first here: @ 129 and @ 140.</p>
<p>I hope to assist the <em>Law of Karma</em>, via these comments here and the TPM blog.</p>
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		<title>By: plunger</title>
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		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, please, bring it on…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney is alleged to be directly responsible for 9/11, war crimes (as admitted on Larry King Live), insider trading, torture, forgery, fraud, terrorism under the USA Patriot Act, racketeering under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations act (RICO), extortion, assassination, arson, bribery, blackmail, conspiracy, and treason.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s all meet in court…please.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But first, you’d better read through everything &lt;a href=&quot;http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3820&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, because I’ve got the goods on the old man, and discovery’s a bitch.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s see how well GHW Bush, Dov Zakheim, Kobi Alexander, Michael Chertoff, David Rockefeller, Myrav &amp; David Wurmser, Paul Wolfowitz, Michael Ledeen, Joe Lieberman, Condi Rice, Buzzy Krongard, Jeb Bush, Ahmad Chalabi, Rudy Guiliani, Governor Pataki, Ronald Lauder, George Tenent, Harold Rhode, Ari Fleischer, Bill Kristol, Karl Rove, Richard Pearl, Douglas Feith, Mel Sembler, Paul Bremmer, Scooter Libby, Mary Matlin, Donald Rumsfeld, Alan Greenspan and Henry Kissinger hold up under oath.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please, bring it on…</p>
<p>Cheney is alleged to be directly responsible for 9/11, war crimes (as admitted on Larry King Live), insider trading, torture, forgery, fraud, terrorism under the USA Patriot Act, racketeering under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations act (RICO), extortion, assassination, arson, bribery, blackmail, conspiracy, and treason.</p>
<p>Let’s all meet in court…please.</p>
<p>But first, you’d better read through everything <a href="http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3820" rel="nofollow">here</a>, because I’ve got the goods on the old man, and discovery’s a bitch.</p>
<p>Let’s see how well GHW Bush, Dov Zakheim, Kobi Alexander, Michael Chertoff, David Rockefeller, Myrav &amp; David Wurmser, Paul Wolfowitz, Michael Ledeen, Joe Lieberman, Condi Rice, Buzzy Krongard, Jeb Bush, Ahmad Chalabi, Rudy Guiliani, Governor Pataki, Ronald Lauder, George Tenent, Harold Rhode, Ari Fleischer, Bill Kristol, Karl Rove, Richard Pearl, Douglas Feith, Mel Sembler, Paul Bremmer, Scooter Libby, Mary Matlin, Donald Rumsfeld, Alan Greenspan and Henry Kissinger hold up under oath.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do not need another horse&lt;br /&gt;
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I do not need another horse&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I say this to myself a lot.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not need another horse<br />
I do not need another horse<br />
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<p>I say this to myself a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is in my neck of the woods and people by and large think maybe more than some idiot saying “stop it” might be required.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is in my neck of the woods and people by and large think maybe more than some idiot saying “stop it” might be required.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 14:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And where are those charges for rape and murder, Lindsey?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And where are those charges for rape and murder, Lindsey?</p>
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