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	<title>Comments on: CIA: Focus on the Beatings, Not the Incompetence</title>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/27/cia-focus-on-the-beatings-not-the-incompetence/#comment-162180</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;that’s my point–they are incompetent and we are watching/they are reporting the wrong things, except in the case of a possible traitor. then it changes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that’s my point–they are incompetent and we are watching/they are reporting the wrong things, except in the case of a possible traitor. then it changes.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/27/cia-focus-on-the-beatings-not-the-incompetence/#comment-162178</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks. is true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;first one is a ‘dad’ lesson, when teaching me to keep my cool. i was around 11. rarely did lose my cool, but i would stew and then blow..said that when i lose my temper or try to ‘make’ someone do somehting, it’s my own skills that are lacking or not not being used. never forgot it and taught me to recognize it for what it is, in myself and others.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the second one is mine.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks. is true.</p>
<p>first one is a ‘dad’ lesson, when teaching me to keep my cool. i was around 11. rarely did lose my cool, but i would stew and then blow..said that when i lose my temper or try to ‘make’ someone do somehting, it’s my own skills that are lacking or not not being used. never forgot it and taught me to recognize it for what it is, in myself and others.</p>
<p>the second one is mine.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/27/cia-focus-on-the-beatings-not-the-incompetence/#comment-161854</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Getting religious? Want to visit your local church? There are risks. Taking on Frankenstein isn’t so easy if all you’ve got is a little flower.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting religious? Want to visit your local church? There are risks. Taking on Frankenstein isn’t so easy if all you’ve got is a little flower.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/27/cia-focus-on-the-beatings-not-the-incompetence/#comment-161852</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmmm, very interesting point.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, very interesting point.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/27/cia-focus-on-the-beatings-not-the-incompetence/#comment-161848</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suppose that could arise in the discussion, but the focus needs to be on CIA effectiveness and whether it acted properly? Secondary, but important to some people is whether it has been politically abused.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose that could arise in the discussion, but the focus needs to be on CIA effectiveness and whether it acted properly? Secondary, but important to some people is whether it has been politically abused.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 02:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sybil Edmonds was one of these multilinguistic, multicultural assets. Look how far it got her. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think this post is spot on. CIA’s covert ops branch has always been given more credit for shadowy omnipotence than it deserves–especially by the Left. Bureaucracies are always inefficient and self-serving to some extent. Secret bureaucracies never have to be embarrassed enough to keep the idiocy in check. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Real intelligence gathering is what interrogators like Mr. Soufan and analysts like Empty Wheel do. It is hard,  mentally challenging work–lots of reading, collating, and comparing. It is productive, but not much fun and not good for the budget. The CIA analysts told Reagan that the USSR was on its last legs just as he was trying to drive up the defense budget to astronomical levels and letting the covert ops people send Stinger missiles to Al Qaeda for use in Afghanistan. Bush ran into the same problem with analysis when it came to Al Qaeda, Iraq, and WMDs–boring people who come up with what you do not want to hear and spend way too little money doing it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The jocks and Skull and Bones frat boys who fill the upper ranks of the CIA’s covert operations branch are thus much more popular with the politicians than the analysts who produce real intelligence. The ops types find research and painstaking interrogation boring. They get the desired  answers, spend money, and, in Porter Goss’ case at least, can get you into a poker game or a hooker.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If half of what we suspect about the CIA’s conduct of late is true, we should disband it and reorganize the actual professionals into a new, more functional intelligence agency.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sybil Edmonds was one of these multilinguistic, multicultural assets. Look how far it got her. </p>
<p>I think this post is spot on. CIA’s covert ops branch has always been given more credit for shadowy omnipotence than it deserves–especially by the Left. Bureaucracies are always inefficient and self-serving to some extent. Secret bureaucracies never have to be embarrassed enough to keep the idiocy in check. </p>
<p>Real intelligence gathering is what interrogators like Mr. Soufan and analysts like Empty Wheel do. It is hard,  mentally challenging work–lots of reading, collating, and comparing. It is productive, but not much fun and not good for the budget. The CIA analysts told Reagan that the USSR was on its last legs just as he was trying to drive up the defense budget to astronomical levels and letting the covert ops people send Stinger missiles to Al Qaeda for use in Afghanistan. Bush ran into the same problem with analysis when it came to Al Qaeda, Iraq, and WMDs–boring people who come up with what you do not want to hear and spend way too little money doing it. </p>
<p>The jocks and Skull and Bones frat boys who fill the upper ranks of the CIA’s covert operations branch are thus much more popular with the politicians than the analysts who produce real intelligence. The ops types find research and painstaking interrogation boring. They get the desired  answers, spend money, and, in Porter Goss’ case at least, can get you into a poker game or a hooker.</p>
<p>If half of what we suspect about the CIA’s conduct of late is true, we should disband it and reorganize the actual professionals into a new, more functional intelligence agency.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexS</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 23:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe not so much as masking “incompetence” per se, this interrogation debate is masking the general purpose of the CIA and its covert ops; after all, this makes it clear that they’re willing to confront the Islamist boogeyman conservative Americans piss their beds over every night. If people knew that they spent much more time destabilizing socialist/labor movements and politicians that threaten “national interests” (i.e. capital investments) then actually worrying about the safety of American citizens, maybe the general public would not find the CIA so integral to American security (as opposed to “national” security).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the CQ piece:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;“If a single FBI agent, with full security clearances and a contact number, were assigned to the CIA with the ability to investigate reports of fraud and waste provided by CIA employees,” he added, “it would set off a chain reaction of accountability.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just be sure to keep him/her out of the hands of the Dallas PD and away from Jack Ruby!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe not so much as masking “incompetence” per se, this interrogation debate is masking the general purpose of the CIA and its covert ops; after all, this makes it clear that they’re willing to confront the Islamist boogeyman conservative Americans piss their beds over every night. If people knew that they spent much more time destabilizing socialist/labor movements and politicians that threaten “national interests” (i.e. capital investments) then actually worrying about the safety of American citizens, maybe the general public would not find the CIA so integral to American security (as opposed to “national” security).</p>
<p>From the CQ piece:<br /><em>“If a single FBI agent, with full security clearances and a contact number, were assigned to the CIA with the ability to investigate reports of fraud and waste provided by CIA employees,” he added, “it would set off a chain reaction of accountability.”</em></p>
<p>Just be sure to keep him/her out of the hands of the Dallas PD and away from Jack Ruby!</p>
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		<title>By: hackworth1</title>
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		<dc:creator>hackworth1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 22:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tweety is as happy to have a Democrat to attack as Wolfe Blitzer is to report on Newt Gingrich’s allegations (of racism against Soto) without including the fact that the fascist creep is tweeting his messages from Auschwitz. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See, in this case, this fact is not pertinent to the story. This kind of RW bias is the reason why everyone knows about Elliot Spitzer’s hooker hijinx and so few are familar with Diaper Dave Vitter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tweety is as happy to have a Democrat to attack as Wolfe Blitzer is to report on Newt Gingrich’s allegations (of racism against Soto) without including the fact that the fascist creep is tweeting his messages from Auschwitz. </p>
<p>See, in this case, this fact is not pertinent to the story. This kind of RW bias is the reason why everyone knows about Elliot Spitzer’s hooker hijinx and so few are familar with Diaper Dave Vitter.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
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		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;human nature–anyone falsely empowered will use force to keep their imagined power..in doing this, their other skills are lacking or they wouldn’t be incompetent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;==thanks for the burris msnbc h/up…&lt;br /&gt;
when a battle is going on, i always watch the enemy, no need to watch an ally unless you’re looking for a traitor. which i guess we are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>human nature–anyone falsely empowered will use force to keep their imagined power..in doing this, their other skills are lacking or they wouldn’t be incompetent.</p>
<p>==thanks for the burris msnbc h/up…<br />
when a battle is going on, i always watch the enemy, no need to watch an ally unless you’re looking for a traitor. which i guess we are.</p>
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		<title>By: esseff44</title>
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		<dc:creator>esseff44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suspect that many people who want to do something to pursue accountability think twice before getting on small planes ….or small boats either.  They don’t need horses heads in their beds to get the message.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that many people who want to do something to pursue accountability think twice before getting on small planes ….or small boats either.  They don’t need horses heads in their beds to get the message.</p>
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