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	<title>Comments on: Feingold&#8217;s Opposition to Indefinite Detention</title>
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		<title>By: mooreagal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161411</link>
		<dc:creator>mooreagal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 02:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;from Kos&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Poll&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;With respect to Senator Feingold and his call for hearings&lt;br /&gt;
	Yes, I fully support them and commend Senator Feingold but we also need a Special Prosecutor to investigate and prosecute the Bush Administration.&lt;br /&gt;
73%	1688 votes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;	Yes, I fully support and commend Senator Feingold for showing leadership on these issues and for calling the hearings.&lt;br /&gt;
18%	414 votes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;	I’m so-so on this.&lt;br /&gt;
2%	57 votes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;        I do not have enough information to make up my mind.&lt;br /&gt;
3%	60 votes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;	No, we don’t need hearings; we should look forward not backward.&lt;br /&gt;
3%	61 votes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;	Hell no, I’m George W. or Dick Cheney and the last thing we need is Senator Feingold poking his nose into what we did.&lt;br /&gt;
1%	33 votes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&#124; 2313 votes&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from Kos</p>
<p>Poll</p>
<p>With respect to Senator Feingold and his call for hearings<br />
	Yes, I fully support them and commend Senator Feingold but we also need a Special Prosecutor to investigate and prosecute the Bush Administration.<br />
73%	1688 votes</p>
<p>	Yes, I fully support and commend Senator Feingold for showing leadership on these issues and for calling the hearings.<br />
18%	414 votes</p>
<p>	I’m so-so on this.<br />
2%	57 votes</p>
<p>        I do not have enough information to make up my mind.<br />
3%	60 votes</p>
<p>	No, we don’t need hearings; we should look forward not backward.<br />
3%	61 votes</p>
<p>	Hell no, I’m George W. or Dick Cheney and the last thing we need is Senator Feingold poking his nose into what we did.<br />
1%	33 votes</p>
<p>| 2313 votes</p>
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		<title>By: mooreagal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161405</link>
		<dc:creator>mooreagal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 00:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes! Exactly!  Paranoid Detention. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! Exactly!  Paranoid Detention. </p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161402</link>
		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 23:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Click on the “Home” button up at the top of this page, which will take you to the FDL main page.  Scroll down just a tad and you’ll see a box that lists the top 10 diaries on Oxdown.  There is a tab right there which you should access: “Write a Diary”.  You might want to check out dailykos also and see what their rules are for writing a dairy.  Their address is:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/&lt;/a&gt;  On the right-hand of the kos main page are several options, including “Contact Us”, so you might want to start there.  Please pursue this–and advise us of your progress.  Thnx.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Click on the “Home” button up at the top of this page, which will take you to the FDL main page.  Scroll down just a tad and you’ll see a box that lists the top 10 diaries on Oxdown.  There is a tab right there which you should access: “Write a Diary”.  You might want to check out dailykos also and see what their rules are for writing a dairy.  Their address is:  <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/</a>  On the right-hand of the kos main page are several options, including “Contact Us”, so you might want to start there.  Please pursue this–and advise us of your progress.  Thnx.</p>
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		<title>By: THATanonymous</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161397</link>
		<dc:creator>THATanonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, I went away for a while. There seems to be some contention about whether I should be raising these issues in this forum. While I do want to energize people, I don’t want to piss off a bunch of others in the process. Does anybody want to offer me some guidance?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TA [the law is just something we made up]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I went away for a while. There seems to be some contention about whether I should be raising these issues in this forum. While I do want to energize people, I don’t want to piss off a bunch of others in the process. Does anybody want to offer me some guidance?</p>
<p>TA [the law is just something we made up]</p>
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		<title>By: thedeanpeople</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161395</link>
		<dc:creator>thedeanpeople</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 22:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We Should Call This What It Really Is — &lt;strong&gt;Paranoid Detention&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The other labels concede the lie that this is “about them” (and their (threat”), rather than the truth that it is about us (and our fear).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama has adopted the core bushcheney/beltway paranoia — about how to treat “evildoers” on both sides of the permanent “war on terra.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;—&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We Should Call This What It Really Is — <strong>Paranoid Detention</strong></p>
<p>The other labels concede the lie that this is “about them” (and their (threat”), rather than the truth that it is about us (and our fear).</p>
<p>Obama has adopted the core bushcheney/beltway paranoia — about how to treat “evildoers” on both sides of the permanent “war on terra.”</p>
<p>—</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161393</link>
		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 21:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello?  Hello?  Don’t become a stranger.  At least give some directions.  Thnx.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello?  Hello?  Don’t become a stranger.  At least give some directions.  Thnx.</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161375</link>
		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Your mention of another level shows that you already know that there is one. Tell us about it.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I asked you first.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously, it would be great if you’d post an article about this (more, pls) since the need for exploring this subject is keen and will surely engender considerable comment .  I haven’t a clue about which blog(s) would be best.  This site and a couple of others attract me like a magnet for the richness and expertise that I find.  Otherwise,  I just stumble and bumble around the internet seeking salient information and “answers.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Your mention of another level shows that you already know that there is one. Tell us about it.”</p>
<p>I asked you first.</p>
<p>Seriously, it would be great if you’d post an article about this (more, pls) since the need for exploring this subject is keen and will surely engender considerable comment .  I haven’t a clue about which blog(s) would be best.  This site and a couple of others attract me like a magnet for the richness and expertise that I find.  Otherwise,  I just stumble and bumble around the internet seeking salient information and “answers.”</p>
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		<title>By: THATanonymous</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161364</link>
		<dc:creator>THATanonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I didn’t say it would be easy to (gulp) overthrow the system. But it’s not at all clear that it requires a group, or that a group could do it better than individuals acting alone. Groups are automatically subject to the foibles inherent in the current system, to the vanities and egoisims that get displayed and played out in modern politics. How do you propose getting rid of those pitfalls in your group, if you insist a group has to do it? I would like to point out that the power of the system as it exists does not arise because the powerful are violent, although they certainly are. It comes from your fear of violence. Or, your fear of disapproval. In other words, from fear of the consequences of action. Get rid of the fear and their power disappears. As has been pointed out before, they can’t lock us ALL up. Or maybe they already have done it, with fear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…the president and collection of federal judges we have now are the last people on earth who’re going to abandon the principle [of stare decisis]&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that’s why their group will probably beat the shit out of your group, because they have the weight of illegal (non-rational) law on their side, not to mention a lot of guns and stuff. As I keep saying, the law is NOT the law.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TA&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn’t say it would be easy to (gulp) overthrow the system. But it’s not at all clear that it requires a group, or that a group could do it better than individuals acting alone. Groups are automatically subject to the foibles inherent in the current system, to the vanities and egoisims that get displayed and played out in modern politics. How do you propose getting rid of those pitfalls in your group, if you insist a group has to do it? I would like to point out that the power of the system as it exists does not arise because the powerful are violent, although they certainly are. It comes from your fear of violence. Or, your fear of disapproval. In other words, from fear of the consequences of action. Get rid of the fear and their power disappears. As has been pointed out before, they can’t lock us ALL up. Or maybe they already have done it, with fear.</p>
<blockquote><p>…the president and collection of federal judges we have now are the last people on earth who’re going to abandon the principle [of stare decisis]</p>
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<p>And that’s why their group will probably beat the shit out of your group, because they have the weight of illegal (non-rational) law on their side, not to mention a lot of guns and stuff. As I keep saying, the law is NOT the law.</p>
<p>TA</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What I am saying is orthogonal to the usual discussions that occur here.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exactly!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, I wonder why that is….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;It’s EW’s site&lt;/strong&gt;.  And I bow to the “usual discussions”.  That’s why most of us come here.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kos is a good place if you’re looking for activism&lt;/em&gt;. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now, if you please, back to the “usual discussions”.  (I’ll comment on this no more.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What I am saying is orthogonal to the usual discussions that occur here.</p>
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<p>Exactly!</p>
<p>Now, I wonder why that is….</p>
<p><strong>It’s EW’s site</strong>.  And I bow to the “usual discussions”.  That’s why most of us come here.  </p>
<p><em>Kos is a good place if you’re looking for activism</em>. </p>
<p>Now, if you please, back to the “usual discussions”.  (I’ll comment on this no more.)</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/24/feingolds-opposition-to-indefinite-detention/#comment-161362</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 16:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh, he certainly ain’t no Chemerinsky.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, he certainly ain’t no Chemerinsky.</p>
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