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		<title>By: JohnEly</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/#comment-161326</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnEly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2009 06:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kane in the WaPo ran an article on the Panetta Memo to the CIA defending them, calling it a ‘rebuttal’ of Pelosi.  Even Newt Gingrich the next day on the morning TV talk shows was more precise, emphasizing that it was a memo to Panetta’s own staff. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of the most irritating aspects of the Kane/Warrick article on the ‘elusive’ definitive account was the 24 point headlines on the A6 continuation of the article, which attempt somewhat to change the subject:&lt;br /&gt;
‘Pelosi Refuses to Answer More Questions on CIA Briefings.’ &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Background Note&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Obama administration has dropped officially the discourse of a ‘war on terrorism’; it claims to be fighting ‘two wars’ but neither of them is a war on terrorism.  The Post is beating the drum for new wars on nouns in editorial after editorial.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It might be that the paper as a whole is now following the editorial page editor GWOTer Hiatt because the new senior editor, Marcus Brauchli, taken on in July 2008, had come from the WSJ - where he had overseen the paper’s transition to Murdoch.  Shortly after Brauchli’s appointment was announced in 1991 at the WSJ, Murdoch’s News Corp. disclosed a takeover offer for Dow Jones &amp; Co., the Journal’s parent, and &lt;strong&gt;Brauchli remained as editor through the acquisition&lt;/strong&gt;. Four months afterwards, on April 22, 2008, he announced his resignation from the Wall Street Journal, after just more than a year in office. The Post announced on July 8 that it had hired him (cf Wikipedia).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hence the drumbeat for GWOT has taken over the whole paper.  Torture is just one element of the Washington (Gone) Post (al)’s transition ‘long war’ plan on the model in which Murdoch has taken over the WSJ.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kane in the WaPo ran an article on the Panetta Memo to the CIA defending them, calling it a ‘rebuttal’ of Pelosi.  Even Newt Gingrich the next day on the morning TV talk shows was more precise, emphasizing that it was a memo to Panetta’s own staff. </p>
<p>One of the most irritating aspects of the Kane/Warrick article on the ‘elusive’ definitive account was the 24 point headlines on the A6 continuation of the article, which attempt somewhat to change the subject:<br />
‘Pelosi Refuses to Answer More Questions on CIA Briefings.’ </p>
<p><strong>Background Note</strong></p>
<p>The Obama administration has dropped officially the discourse of a ‘war on terrorism’; it claims to be fighting ‘two wars’ but neither of them is a war on terrorism.  The Post is beating the drum for new wars on nouns in editorial after editorial.  </p>
<p>It might be that the paper as a whole is now following the editorial page editor GWOTer Hiatt because the new senior editor, Marcus Brauchli, taken on in July 2008, had come from the WSJ &#8211; where he had overseen the paper’s transition to Murdoch.  Shortly after Brauchli’s appointment was announced in 1991 at the WSJ, Murdoch’s News Corp. disclosed a takeover offer for Dow Jones &amp; Co., the Journal’s parent, and <strong>Brauchli remained as editor through the acquisition</strong>. Four months afterwards, on April 22, 2008, he announced his resignation from the Wall Street Journal, after just more than a year in office. The Post announced on July 8 that it had hired him (cf Wikipedia).</p>
<p>Hence the drumbeat for GWOT has taken over the whole paper.  Torture is just one element of the Washington (Gone) Post (al)’s transition ‘long war’ plan on the model in which Murdoch has taken over the WSJ.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/#comment-161268</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 21:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Where was Wilkerson yesterday?  Link?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks Ew and freepatriot&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was Wilkerson yesterday?  Link?</p>
<p>thanks Ew and freepatriot</p>
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		<title>By: SparklestheIguana</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/#comment-161147</link>
		<dc:creator>SparklestheIguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 00:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s quite interesting what photo they chose to run with the online article, too.  By Melina Mara, it shows Pelosi with her hand up obscuring her face, as if she’s rubbing or scratching the bridge of her nose.  Her hand is bony and veiny.  Steny Hoyer is leaning in close to her whispering something in her ear, conspiratorially perhaps.  The message is clear: People tell Pelosi secret information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s quite interesting what photo they chose to run with the online article, too.  By Melina Mara, it shows Pelosi with her hand up obscuring her face, as if she’s rubbing or scratching the bridge of her nose.  Her hand is bony and veiny.  Steny Hoyer is leaning in close to her whispering something in her ear, conspiratorially perhaps.  The message is clear: People tell Pelosi secret information.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/#comment-161104</link>
		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 21:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-adam-gopnik-angels-and-ages-a-short-book-about-darwin-lincoln-and-modern-life/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Book Salon up at the Mothership&lt;/a&gt; with Adam Gopnik’s &lt;i&gt;Angels and Ages: A Short Book About Darwin, Lincoln, and Modern Life&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-adam-gopnik-angels-and-ages-a-short-book-about-darwin-lincoln-and-modern-life/" rel="nofollow">Book Salon up at the Mothership</a> with Adam Gopnik’s <i>Angels and Ages: A Short Book About Darwin, Lincoln, and Modern Life</i></p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/#comment-161083</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 20:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Indeed, the fact that they were doing this is inescapable. They were extracting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=3009&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;false information&lt;/a&gt; from the detainees they were torturing setting the nation on a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO505D.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;series of “orange alerts”&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact that Bush sent his wife and daughter into one of these threatened areas was the biggest “tell” of all that they knew the information was utterly unreliable. Remember that Cheney would have been cowering in the basement of the WH, while Bush would be ferried around in AF One if there was any chance it was a real threat.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile &lt;a href=&quot;http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jan/23/local/me-lax23&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;massive amounts of public money&lt;/a&gt; was spent to play into the fear-propaganda that they Bush-Cheney regime wanted to put out. State budgets lost billions in these charades.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, the fact that they were doing this is inescapable. They were extracting <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=3009" rel="nofollow">false information</a> from the detainees they were torturing setting the nation on a <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO505D.html" rel="nofollow">series of “orange alerts”</a>.</p>
<p>The fact that Bush sent his wife and daughter into one of these threatened areas was the biggest “tell” of all that they knew the information was utterly unreliable. Remember that Cheney would have been cowering in the basement of the WH, while Bush would be ferried around in AF One if there was any chance it was a real threat.</p>
<p>Meanwhile <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jan/23/local/me-lax23" rel="nofollow">massive amounts of public money</a> was spent to play into the fear-propaganda that they Bush-Cheney regime wanted to put out. State budgets lost billions in these charades.</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 19:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;May I echo your thanks?  I thought I had saved that article, but  upon checking realized I hadn’t.  It’s saved now, fer sure!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I echo your thanks?  I thought I had saved that article, but  upon checking realized I hadn’t.  It’s saved now, fer sure!</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Really stands out now, doesn’t it? I think it’s easier to hear things like that when you can get a breath, which is more true now than even 2 years ago, let alone 7.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Btw, thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/#comment-161006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;JohnLopresti&lt;/a&gt; for the link.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really stands out now, doesn’t it? I think it’s easier to hear things like that when you can get a breath, which is more true now than even 2 years ago, let alone 7.</p>
<p>Btw, thanks to <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/#comment-161006" rel="nofollow">JohnLopresti</a> for the link.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for that link.  I’d read part of that article, and recently, but somehow this paragraph near the bottom never sank in until today:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;[Sen. Bob] Graham says that even if Shelby had leaked information about the intercepts to the press, Graham believes with some degree of certainty that certain executive branch officials did so as well. Although CNN broke the story, the next-day stories in The Post and USA Today contained details that Hayden had not disclosed to the Intelligence committees, Graham said. “That would lead a reasonable person to infer the administration leaked as well, or what they were doing was trying to set us up… to make this an issue which they could come after us with.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link.  I’d read part of that article, and recently, but somehow this paragraph near the bottom never sank in until today:</p>
<blockquote><p>[Sen. Bob] Graham says that even if Shelby had leaked information about the intercepts to the press, Graham believes with some degree of certainty that certain executive branch officials did so as well. Although CNN broke the story, the next-day stories in The Post and USA Today contained details that Hayden had not disclosed to the Intelligence committees, Graham said. “That would lead a reasonable person to infer the administration leaked as well, or what they were doing was trying to set us up… to make this an issue which they could come after us with.”</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/23/wapo-doubles-down-on-conflict-over-truth/#comment-161031</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;be sure to wash you hands first&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;jes say, is all&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;hey, somebody is gonna have to remind me if this ever comes up, so keep that in mind, okay guys …&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>be sure to wash you hands first</p>
<p>jes say, is all</p>
<p><em>hey, somebody is gonna have to remind me if this ever comes up, so keep that in mind, okay guys …</em></p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I took offense over this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;it isolates and targets Shelby as a particularly deceptive, duplicitous and destructive character on the current scene.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;on it’s face, the article does no such thing&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;saying that we all know we’re reading “Pravda” isn’t a defense&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;most Americans don’t know that we’re reading “Pravda”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;an the point of making comments is to advance the dialog, make corrections, throw in additional information, question the premise, or just to state the obvious (my favorite). It’s a lot like school. You either stand out, or ya stand in the corner. nobody is keepin score, but you will be graded constantly&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;an btw, I habitually flunk playground etiquette, but they make exceptions cuz I’m funny while I’m doin it&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took offense over this:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>it isolates and targets Shelby as a particularly deceptive, duplicitous and destructive character on the current scene.</strong></p>
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<p>on it’s face, the article does no such thing</p>
<p>saying that we all know we’re reading “Pravda” isn’t a defense</p>
<p>most Americans don’t know that we’re reading “Pravda”</p>
<p><em>an the point of making comments is to advance the dialog, make corrections, throw in additional information, question the premise, or just to state the obvious (my favorite). It’s a lot like school. You either stand out, or ya stand in the corner. nobody is keepin score, but you will be graded constantly</em></p>
<p><em>an btw, I habitually flunk playground etiquette, but they make exceptions cuz I’m funny while I’m doin it</em></p>
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