Comments on: The Context of the Torture Index http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: CarlyCorday http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-161053 CarlyCorday Sat, 23 May 2009 19:20:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-161053 <p>“You know Dick, if your case is so strong, why do you misrepresent the facts so much? Why did the videotapess have to be destroyed if there was nothing to hide?”</p> <p>Better yet, WHY isn’t Cheney actually being asked this?</p> <p>Do I remember right? Was there no question/answer session with the press to wind up Cheney’s show? And if not, was there no snide mention of that anywhere in the MSM?</p> <p>Is there any hope for anything? I don’t think there is. Everything rides on the ACLU and the thimbleful of smart people like YOU people following all of this intelligently and tenaciously.</p> <p>What is this about memos Cheney wants released that will PROVE his torture program saved thousands of lives (meaningless though that is, since his torture program is a war crime no matter why he did it or what he gained)? Notice how that has been left floating in the air, so that the Pat Buchanans can point to the president’s failure to declassify these supposed memos as proof that the memos exist and Obama doesn’t want them seen!</p> <p>I can’t follow all of this, I can only absorb the surface of it, I haven’t the smarts for it even if I had the time it would take me. I’m so very glad somebody does.</p> <p>This is not a hijacking. Carry on.</p> “You know Dick, if your case is so strong, why do you misrepresent the facts so much? Why did the videotapess have to be destroyed if there was nothing to hide?”

Better yet, WHY isn’t Cheney actually being asked this?

Do I remember right? Was there no question/answer session with the press to wind up Cheney’s show? And if not, was there no snide mention of that anywhere in the MSM?

Is there any hope for anything? I don’t think there is. Everything rides on the ACLU and the thimbleful of smart people like YOU people following all of this intelligently and tenaciously.

What is this about memos Cheney wants released that will PROVE his torture program saved thousands of lives (meaningless though that is, since his torture program is a war crime no matter why he did it or what he gained)? Notice how that has been left floating in the air, so that the Pat Buchanans can point to the president’s failure to declassify these supposed memos as proof that the memos exist and Obama doesn’t want them seen!

I can’t follow all of this, I can only absorb the surface of it, I haven’t the smarts for it even if I had the time it would take me. I’m so very glad somebody does.

This is not a hijacking. Carry on.

]]> By: bobh http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160953 bobh Sat, 23 May 2009 13:35:17 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160953 <p>Release of the new torture photos now, presumably depicting new modes of sadism and sexual perversion, should help shut up the execrable Liz Cheney.</p> Release of the new torture photos now, presumably depicting new modes of sadism and sexual perversion, should help shut up the execrable Liz Cheney.

]]> By: john2 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160911 john2 Sat, 23 May 2009 02:40:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160911 <p>I find myself wondering if perhaps Cheney didn’t intentionally time yesterday’s speech to distract from the release of this information. So everyone in the MSM is busy chatting away about Cheney’s same old phony claims, in a new package. </p> <p>You know Dick, if your case is so strong, why do you misrepresent the facts so much? Why did the videotapess have to be destroyed if there was nothing to hide?</p> I find myself wondering if perhaps Cheney didn’t intentionally time yesterday’s speech to distract from the release of this information. So everyone in the MSM is busy chatting away about Cheney’s same old phony claims, in a new package.

You know Dick, if your case is so strong, why do you misrepresent the facts so much? Why did the videotapess have to be destroyed if there was nothing to hide?

]]> By: sunshine http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160908 sunshine Sat, 23 May 2009 02:35:46 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160908 <p>What an execellent point. No loyalities for those who followed his orders. No sir, he left them to hang out in the cold, all by their selves.</p> <p>Imagine his withdrawals, a man of power most his life who now has none.</p> What an execellent point. No loyalities for those who followed his orders. No sir, he left them to hang out in the cold, all by their selves.

Imagine his withdrawals, a man of power most his life who now has none.

]]> By: Hugh http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160907 Hugh Sat, 23 May 2009 02:22:07 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160907 <blockquote><p>“Documents relating to the destruction of the tapes, which describe the persons and reasons behind their destruction”</p></blockquote> <p>I believe the confusion here is that these were not CIA files but CYA ones.</p>

“Documents relating to the destruction of the tapes, which describe the persons and reasons behind their destruction”

I believe the confusion here is that these were not CIA files but CYA ones.

]]> By: Raven http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160906 Raven Sat, 23 May 2009 02:18:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160906 <p>KO just had the footage on. Great conversation about renaming it to drowning.</p> KO just had the footage on. Great conversation about renaming it to drowning.

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160787 phred Fri, 22 May 2009 21:08:18 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160787 <p>What a nice thing to say, thank you : )</p> <p>I agree with EW though, as much as I wish we could hog a Senator for a few hours, their schedules simply wouldn’t permit that. The fact that they are willing to take questions from random people on-line is pretty remarkable. And given a lifetime of form letter (or form email) responses from various Congresscritters, I am happy to take my chances with 45 minutes and hope they respond…</p> What a nice thing to say, thank you : )

I agree with EW though, as much as I wish we could hog a Senator for a few hours, their schedules simply wouldn’t permit that. The fact that they are willing to take questions from random people on-line is pretty remarkable. And given a lifetime of form letter (or form email) responses from various Congresscritters, I am happy to take my chances with 45 minutes and hope they respond…

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160772 bobschacht Fri, 22 May 2009 20:23:02 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160772 <p>Amen to that, phred, and if there’s anyone hanging out here who didn’t participate in that <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/fdl-welcomes-senator-sheldon-whitehouse/" rel="nofollow">chat with Sen. Whitehouse</a>, or has not gone back to review his comments (as well as significant comments by EW, Jane Hamsher, and others), I urge that you do so.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> Amen to that, phred, and if there’s anyone hanging out here who didn’t participate in that chat with Sen. Whitehouse, or has not gone back to review his comments (as well as significant comments by EW, Jane Hamsher, and others), I urge that you do so.

Bob in HI

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160769 emptywheel Fri, 22 May 2009 20:12:35 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160769 <p>True. But getting 45 minutes out of a Senator is a pretty big deal, particularly since IIRC Blue America wasn’t even a big Whitehouse funder when he got elected (though I could be wrong). </p> <p>That’s almost precisely what Levin gave us in a similar circumstance (just after we had a very active thread on his SASC torture hearing).</p> True. But getting 45 minutes out of a Senator is a pretty big deal, particularly since IIRC Blue America wasn’t even a big Whitehouse funder when he got elected (though I could be wrong).

That’s almost precisely what Levin gave us in a similar circumstance (just after we had a very active thread on his SASC torture hearing).

]]> By: whitewidow http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160745 whitewidow Fri, 22 May 2009 19:56:53 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/22/the-context-of-the-torture-index/#comment-160745 <p>They definitely failed in that mission.</p> They definitely failed in that mission.

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