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	<title>Comments on: Victory Is Mine!!!!</title>
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		<title>By: letsgetitdone</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160728</link>
		<dc:creator>letsgetitdone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry to be so lacking in gallantry, but . . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did I miss a citation, or did Jay Newton-Small and TIME violate copyright law by not crediting your post?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be so lacking in gallantry, but . . .</p>
<p>Did I miss a citation, or did Jay Newton-Small and TIME violate copyright law by not crediting your post?</p>
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		<title>By: bobc2443</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160704</link>
		<dc:creator>bobc2443</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amazing isn’t it that Shelby was briefed on EITs in 2002 when the phrase had not even been dreamed up until much later. How do these repugs find their way to the latrine and when they do how do they find their ass to wipe it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing isn’t it that Shelby was briefed on EITs in 2002 when the phrase had not even been dreamed up until much later. How do these repugs find their way to the latrine and when they do how do they find their ass to wipe it.</p>
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		<title>By: rdwdkw</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160695</link>
		<dc:creator>rdwdkw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Seconds, and well put.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seconds, and well put.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160692</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: frankly0</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160691</link>
		<dc:creator>frankly0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s fair to say that Goss never went beyond a statement that the CIA clearly communicated to Pelosi that waterboarding was to be actually used in the future.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Shelby is a different matter, if his spokesperson can be trusted to represent what his own opinions were.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Following the links, one finds this reporting from Greg Sargent:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Update: Shelby’s spokesperson clarifies:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    “To Senator Shelby’s recollection of the Senate briefing, waterboarding was one the EITs the CIA said it had used. As he also recalls, the CIA described the valuable intelligence it obtained using EITs, including waterboarding.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So Shelby does maintain that the Senators were told that EITs, including waterboarding, were in fact used. Again, he’s directly at odds with Graham.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Clearly, this goes well past what Goss said, in asserting that, by his recollection, the CIA briefed Pelosi as to the use of the waterboard in the then past. Of course, it’s certainty is hedged by the use of “he recalls”, but it is nonetheless what he is asserting, with whatever confidence. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know how Tumulty missed that reference, since it was in the very link she provided to what Shelby said. If she had some reason to dismiss or dispute it, she should certainly have explained that point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also find odd her emphasis on the word “purported” in Shelby’s direct statement — she really needs to explain the logic of what she think that  implies more carefully.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s fair to say that Goss never went beyond a statement that the CIA clearly communicated to Pelosi that waterboarding was to be actually used in the future.</p>
<p>But Shelby is a different matter, if his spokesperson can be trusted to represent what his own opinions were.</p>
<p>Following the links, one finds this reporting from Greg Sargent:</p>
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<p>Update: Shelby’s spokesperson clarifies:</p>
<p>    “To Senator Shelby’s recollection of the Senate briefing, waterboarding was one the EITs the CIA said it had used. As he also recalls, the CIA described the valuable intelligence it obtained using EITs, including waterboarding.”</p>
<p>So Shelby does maintain that the Senators were told that EITs, including waterboarding, were in fact used. Again, he’s directly at odds with Graham.</p>
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<p>Clearly, this goes well past what Goss said, in asserting that, by his recollection, the CIA briefed Pelosi as to the use of the waterboard in the then past. Of course, it’s certainty is hedged by the use of “he recalls”, but it is nonetheless what he is asserting, with whatever confidence. </p>
<p>I don’t know how Tumulty missed that reference, since it was in the very link she provided to what Shelby said. If she had some reason to dismiss or dispute it, she should certainly have explained that point.</p>
<p>I also find odd her emphasis on the word “purported” in Shelby’s direct statement — she really needs to explain the logic of what she think that  implies more carefully.</p>
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		<title>By: Fractal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160688</link>
		<dc:creator>Fractal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;heh heh  I just realized this thread started yesterday, and I woke up and thought it was from this morning, but comments here continued overnight!  time warp&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh heh  I just realized this thread started yesterday, and I woke up and thought it was from this morning, but comments here continued overnight!  time warp</p>
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		<title>By: oldtree</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160686</link>
		<dc:creator>oldtree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I for one am glad we have real journalism and Marcy to show what it means to the copyists.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am glad we have real journalism and Marcy to show what it means to the copyists.</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160685</link>
		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or in Molly Ivins’s words: Go out and bang pots and pans!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or in Molly Ivins’s words: Go out and bang pots and pans!</p>
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		<title>By: Fractal</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160684</link>
		<dc:creator>Fractal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Jay” Newton-Small is Ms. Newton-Small?  (sorry for lag, took me 15 minutes to plug my friends’ emails into the FDL fundraising tool)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Jay” Newton-Small is Ms. Newton-Small?  (sorry for lag, took me 15 minutes to plug my friends’ emails into the FDL fundraising tool)</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/victory-is-mine/#comment-160682</link>
		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;She was &lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/43957/release-the-gtmo-document&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“Ackermanned”&lt;/a&gt; instead (with amplification at the TPMpire).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She was <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/43957/release-the-gtmo-document" rel="nofollow">“Ackermanned”</a> instead (with amplification at the TPMpire).</p>
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