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	<title>Comments on: Senator Bob Graham Clarifies His Briefing</title>
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		<title>By: mpower1952</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/senator-bob-graham-clarifies-on-his-briefing/#comment-160849</link>
		<dc:creator>mpower1952</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 23:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks all who let me in on the grins. *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks all who let me in on the grins. *g*</p>
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		<title>By: esseff44</title>
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		<dc:creator>esseff44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 23:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Senator Graham makes a lot of good suggestions for overhauling the oversight responsibility for intelligence.  However, he does not go far enough.  What do members do if they suspect or have good reason to question the legality of activities they are breifed on?  There needs to be something like a FISA court where they can go to and appeal or object or get a review.  What good does it do to just be informed?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator Graham makes a lot of good suggestions for overhauling the oversight responsibility for intelligence.  However, he does not go far enough.  What do members do if they suspect or have good reason to question the legality of activities they are breifed on?  There needs to be something like a FISA court where they can go to and appeal or object or get a review.  What good does it do to just be informed?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/senator-bob-graham-clarifies-on-his-briefing/#comment-160377</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 17:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The staffers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;{Thanks for asking on the Field Trip EW}&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really do think that, although it is almost too late now, the Dem pushback needs to be that the briefing schedule itself is the CIA’s admission that &lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/david-obey-yet-more-proof-the-cia-briefing-list-is-totally-wrong/#comment-159510&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;it violated the National Security Act&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The staffers.</p>
<p>{Thanks for asking on the Field Trip EW}</p>
<p>I really do think that, although it is almost too late now, the Dem pushback needs to be that the briefing schedule itself is the CIA’s admission that <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/19/david-obey-yet-more-proof-the-cia-briefing-list-is-totally-wrong/#comment-159510" rel="nofollow">it violated the National Security Act</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/senator-bob-graham-clarifies-on-his-briefing/#comment-160353</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 16:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Graham points out there were &lt;strong&gt;people in the one briefing he received who would not have had clearance for briefings on EIT&lt;/strong&gt;. Who were they? And where are they now?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amazing. I agree Rayne, your “who and where” questions need to be asked.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Graham points out there were <strong>people in the one briefing he received who would not have had clearance for briefings on EIT</strong>. Who were they? And where are they now?</p>
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<p>Amazing. I agree Rayne, your “who and where” questions need to be asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/senator-bob-graham-clarifies-on-his-briefing/#comment-160342</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 15:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DMVDC @4 — could not agree more.  As the law formally stands (and stood in 2002) when a President authorizes a covert action, by issuing a finding, he has a very limited time in which to notify members of the leadership in both houses, and members of the two intelligence committees.  How many has differed by administration, but the Bush/Cheney administration cut this back to the eight, or the four and then imposed the no discussion with collegues rules — all of which are probably illegal should Congress ever want to push back a little.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The role of the two intelligence committees in “oversight” is another issue entirely.  They are not only the congressional piece of crisis management (in their notification of a finding role), but they have broad oversight responsibilities for the functioning of the whole intelligence community, particularly in their role in determining the overall budget for all the agencies that are part of the community.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem of what critical information is shared with the committees is a long and sordid tale.  Prior to the reforms in the wake of the Church Committee, very little information was shared.  Essentially DOD briefed the Armed Services Committees (and the budget was largely buried in their appropriations), but State briefed the Foreign Affairs Committees, and Commerce briefed the Economic Committees.  The Judiciary Committees assumed very limited interest in intelligence — pre Church it was just assumed that CIA and other such agencies “did what they had to do abroad” and their writ did not run in the US.  We need to keep in mind the way these agencies define their mission — they are designated to steal secrets that are not readily available to US policy makers, and preferably steal them in such a way that the other sides don’t know they have been stolen.  It was only post Church that legal boundaries were set on covert efforts at information stealing, or other aspects of covert programs such as assassination and dirty tricks.  And, for the most part, it was post Church that the line between what was allowable overseas in missions was imported into the US — for instance in Casey’s off the shelf and off the books covert programs vis a vis Iran-Contra, as executed by Ollie North was imported into domestic governmental practice.  In otherwords, where Church intended to draw bright lines — in fact it backfired, and the intent of Church was corrupted.  Perhaps the worst corruption is the matter of informing congress in specific instances — which got interpreted in practice as to how to mis-inform congress, how to disempower Congress by providing them with misinformation, useless information, or how to slightly inform them, and then muzzle them. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pelosi is probably right — Congress needs to go back to the 1947 National Security Act and look at the legal basis by which these corruptions have been sustained and nurtured, and amend that Act so there is clarity about Congress’s role in both the crisis management and oversight aspects of the Intelligence Function. Statute Law is nearly always better than Executive Orders — and it is the proper response to the liberty Bush and Cheney took with the powers of the Executive. But at the same time Congress has a long way to go demonstrating that it knows how to use decent intelligence to inform policy, and not to see it fundamentally as a hammer with which to wack the Executive or the opposition party.  Just imagine Michelle Bachmann on the House Intelligence Committee — a position she has apparently been “promised” (by whom it is not clear) should she win one more election.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DMVDC @4 — could not agree more.  As the law formally stands (and stood in 2002) when a President authorizes a covert action, by issuing a finding, he has a very limited time in which to notify members of the leadership in both houses, and members of the two intelligence committees.  How many has differed by administration, but the Bush/Cheney administration cut this back to the eight, or the four and then imposed the no discussion with collegues rules — all of which are probably illegal should Congress ever want to push back a little.  </p>
<p>The role of the two intelligence committees in “oversight” is another issue entirely.  They are not only the congressional piece of crisis management (in their notification of a finding role), but they have broad oversight responsibilities for the functioning of the whole intelligence community, particularly in their role in determining the overall budget for all the agencies that are part of the community.  </p>
<p>The problem of what critical information is shared with the committees is a long and sordid tale.  Prior to the reforms in the wake of the Church Committee, very little information was shared.  Essentially DOD briefed the Armed Services Committees (and the budget was largely buried in their appropriations), but State briefed the Foreign Affairs Committees, and Commerce briefed the Economic Committees.  The Judiciary Committees assumed very limited interest in intelligence — pre Church it was just assumed that CIA and other such agencies “did what they had to do abroad” and their writ did not run in the US.  We need to keep in mind the way these agencies define their mission — they are designated to steal secrets that are not readily available to US policy makers, and preferably steal them in such a way that the other sides don’t know they have been stolen.  It was only post Church that legal boundaries were set on covert efforts at information stealing, or other aspects of covert programs such as assassination and dirty tricks.  And, for the most part, it was post Church that the line between what was allowable overseas in missions was imported into the US — for instance in Casey’s off the shelf and off the books covert programs vis a vis Iran-Contra, as executed by Ollie North was imported into domestic governmental practice.  In otherwords, where Church intended to draw bright lines — in fact it backfired, and the intent of Church was corrupted.  Perhaps the worst corruption is the matter of informing congress in specific instances — which got interpreted in practice as to how to mis-inform congress, how to disempower Congress by providing them with misinformation, useless information, or how to slightly inform them, and then muzzle them. </p>
<p>Pelosi is probably right — Congress needs to go back to the 1947 National Security Act and look at the legal basis by which these corruptions have been sustained and nurtured, and amend that Act so there is clarity about Congress’s role in both the crisis management and oversight aspects of the Intelligence Function. Statute Law is nearly always better than Executive Orders — and it is the proper response to the liberty Bush and Cheney took with the powers of the Executive. But at the same time Congress has a long way to go demonstrating that it knows how to use decent intelligence to inform policy, and not to see it fundamentally as a hammer with which to wack the Executive or the opposition party.  Just imagine Michelle Bachmann on the House Intelligence Committee — a position she has apparently been “promised” (by whom it is not clear) should she win one more election.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, and I think there were&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/228298/may-20-2009/she-said--cia-said---bob-graham&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; a couple of nuggets in that Colbert Report interview&lt;/a&gt;, as jacked up and abbreviated as it was, given the medium.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Graham points out there were people in the one briefing he received who would not have had clearance for briefings on EIT. Who were they? And where are they now?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and I think there were<a href="http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/228298/may-20-2009/she-said--cia-said---bob-graham" rel="nofollow"> a couple of nuggets in that Colbert Report interview</a>, as jacked up and abbreviated as it was, given the medium.</p>
<p>Graham points out there were people in the one briefing he received who would not have had clearance for briefings on EIT. Who were they? And where are they now?</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh!  Meanwhile, we find out that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/20/733751/-Boehner-admits-CIA-has-lied-to-Congress&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the same dickweeds attacking Pelosi for being so meeeeaaaaan to the CIA have themselves been mean to the CIA in the past.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh!  Meanwhile, we find out that <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/20/733751/-Boehner-admits-CIA-has-lied-to-Congress" rel="nofollow">the same dickweeds attacking Pelosi for being so meeeeaaaaan to the CIA have themselves been mean to the CIA in the past.</a></p>
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		<title>By: twolf1</title>
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		<dc:creator>twolf1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane has a &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/alan-grayson-says-audit-the-fed/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new post&lt;/a&gt; back at FDL…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane has a <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/05/21/alan-grayson-says-audit-the-fed/" rel="nofollow">new post</a> back at FDL…</p>
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		<title>By: HelenaHandbasket</title>
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		<dc:creator>HelenaHandbasket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;*g* means grin, does it not?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*g* means grin, does it not?</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 14:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bob Graham was on Stephen Colbert’s show last night.  More reporting going on there, too, than most of what Morley Safer’s buddies give us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob Graham was on Stephen Colbert’s show last night.  More reporting going on there, too, than most of what Morley Safer’s buddies give us.</p>
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