Flights from/through/to EU countries without any questions make EU member states complicit in rendition and torture.

Operatives hidden among the detainees, contracted by EU states, also make EU member states complicit.

I suspect this is the reason we saw the UK backpedaling hard on the release of intelligence info; Poland has already been “compensated” for its troubles with a missile defense system, but what happens when their role is fully exposed?

I want Obama, HOlder, Leahy, Whitehouse etc to mean what they say “no one is above the law” They either mean it or they don’t. Right now it appears that Obama does not mean what he says or has said. I am truly finding him dismissive and arrogant at this point. Health care, emission standards are not enough if our nation has no soul. What does he want a nation of walking zombies? Folks around the world knows this is the case.

If Obama does not change his tune on accountability most of the folks I know who worked for him will not be doing it again…including me. The chatter will start soon

We don’t know right now with absolute certainty that al-Libbi was actually dead, or “suicided” as cover for a “witness protection”-like program.

Maybe I’ve been watching too many spy movies or reading too many spy books, but the lack of names, the weird about-face on treatment of detainees, other oddities like the reaction from overseas “partners”, all without explanation.

I wonder who if anybody or any group like ICRC has an itemization of detainees.

Also have to wonder if this is why old Deadeye is whining so much about detainees posing a threat; are some of these guys still going to finish their previously contracted jobs?

Again, pure conjecture. Perhaps a potential fiction plot line waiting a better author…

http://www.wikio.com/webinfo?id=105742720

The el-Masri case is about past violations. Like el-Masri, there were many cases of mistaken identity. What do we do about those cases now? How do we make sure they don’t happen again? We cannot prevent cases of mistaken identity but if they are treated humanely, it is forgiveable. It is the inhumane treatment still has to be addressed somehow. There has to be more than “We don’t torture now like the other guys did.” The people who care will have to keep the issue alive until more people are aware and pressure builds to bring the bad guys to justice. That is going to take some doing and we are not going to get help from Congress members who were complicit. Look how long it took to get an apology for Japanese internment. We will get help from the courts some of the time and some of the time not. Judge Vaughn Walker has a case somewhat similar to el-Masri that is still alive.

If they are enemy combatants and the war is not over, they are also duty bound to rejoin the battle upon release. One out of seven is very low in that context. Either we’re dealing with a war or we’re dealing with crime, you can not have it both ways. Unless you’re a war criminal like Rumsfeld.

Turning enemies and getting them to work for us is something that the old-fashioned, American-made interrogation methods that worked so well in WW2 in the Pacific were very good at. Kindness, fairness, and a superior ethic made sincere converts. Torture, terrorism, and brainwashing seem far less likely to produce reliable agents.

So where does the Bush-Cheyney cancer stop? If we are using torture victims as supposed double-agents, another generation of intelligence will be compromised and another generation of policy will be corrupted. Punishing torturers is not enough. We need to release everyone we have tortured unconditionally–in the US if necessary–and systematically root out every piece of so-called information obtained by illegal methods. It is all poison fruit.