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	<title>Comments on: April 13, 2002; May 6, 2002, May 20, 2002; May 23, 2002; May 28, 2002; August 4, 2002; August 11, 2002</title>
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		<title>By: oldoilfieldhand</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldoilfieldhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Ms. Wheeler and fire pups. Your efforts prove we are redeemable.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Ms. Wheeler and fire pups. Your efforts prove we are redeemable.</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 11:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, I realize that.  It has moral suasion.  That’s the only ticket I’m looking at there.  I did a blog on it related to torture a few months back.  And the preamble states that “contempt for human rights” is one thing that’s led to “atrocities”.  So it’s good lead in to this topic, that’s all.  Just tying together threads across many blogs of mine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s a link that blog - just for the record:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2009/03/its-not-just-the-torture.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsme.....orture.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m planning on writing something up for here at Oxdown (re this document).  Since I threw out a lot of theories as I was reading.  And I’d like to track down some evidence and just pull things together a bit better here. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be nice if a neurologist could weigh in a bit.  Then again, we’d really need good testing to know more.  But I’m mostly intrigued by his head wound from ‘92.  The loss of ability to speak at that time - which suggests temporal lobe involvement.  And the fact that any head injury, depending upon the source, can have such wide-ranging effects.  The brain can heal itself in amazing ways.  But also there are so many subtle losses a person can have.  And epilepsy can be a result long after the injury.  Plus, with temporal lobe involvement there is a potential for many personality changes, including the hypergraphia he may or may not have.  (But the diaries stem from that time - from the time of his head wound.  It would appear.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I realize that.  It has moral suasion.  That’s the only ticket I’m looking at there.  I did a blog on it related to torture a few months back.  And the preamble states that “contempt for human rights” is one thing that’s led to “atrocities”.  So it’s good lead in to this topic, that’s all.  Just tying together threads across many blogs of mine.</p>
<p>Here’s a link that blog &#8211; just for the record:</p>
<p><a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/therap/2009/03/its-not-just-the-torture.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsme&#8230;..orture.php</a></p>
<p>I’m planning on writing something up for here at Oxdown (re this document).  Since I threw out a lot of theories as I was reading.  And I’d like to track down some evidence and just pull things together a bit better here. </p>
<p>It would be nice if a neurologist could weigh in a bit.  Then again, we’d really need good testing to know more.  But I’m mostly intrigued by his head wound from ‘92.  The loss of ability to speak at that time &#8211; which suggests temporal lobe involvement.  And the fact that any head injury, depending upon the source, can have such wide-ranging effects.  The brain can heal itself in amazing ways.  But also there are so many subtle losses a person can have.  And epilepsy can be a result long after the injury.  Plus, with temporal lobe involvement there is a potential for many personality changes, including the hypergraphia he may or may not have.  (But the diaries stem from that time &#8211; from the time of his head wound.  It would appear.)</p>
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		<title>By: R.H. Green</title>
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		<dc:creator>R.H. Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 06:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Greetings from late nite catchup. Something that leaps out at me in your comments is that you are showing Interview Reports flowing from Headquarters to Field. Am I reading that right?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from late nite catchup. Something that leaps out at me in your comments is that you are showing Interview Reports flowing from Headquarters to Field. Am I reading that right?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Believe you’ll find Articles 3 and 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights state no human shall be deprived of personal security or subjected to degrading treatment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, although the U.S. voted in favor of this Declaration, it’s not a treaty per se; it does not appear to have any mechanism by which it should be self-executing by the U.S.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe you’ll find Articles 3 and 5 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights state no human shall be deprived of personal security or subjected to degrading treatment.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, although the U.S. voted in favor of this Declaration, it’s not a treaty per se; it does not appear to have any mechanism by which it should be self-executing by the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 04:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://watchdog2.froomkin.com/BL2007121101053_pf.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Froomkin&lt;/a&gt;, Kiriakou says that the applications were approved repeatedly from Headquarters…every act was approved by cable. And as I recall the waterboarding and other techniques were delayed by a couple of days before interrogation (presumably giving cover to the actual CIA interrogators who could say they were not involved in waterboarding or even “present” at their application).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus we might see a lot of cable traffic on days when Jessen and Mitchell were at work…followed a day or two later with the interrogation. Or there might be higher traffic if there was a medical “event”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also how does this stack up with the “authorities” that gave guidelines on how much waterboarding could be applied. Didn’t Yoo say it could only be applied 5 times in a calendar month? I imagine that some torture techniques like the “stress box”, or the sensory deprivation or overloading might be a turn on-turn off sort of instruction. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Furthermore, as the techniques went on Jessen-Mitchell may have been given less specific instructions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://watchdog2.froomkin.com/BL2007121101053_pf.htm" rel="nofollow">Froomkin</a>, Kiriakou says that the applications were approved repeatedly from Headquarters…every act was approved by cable. And as I recall the waterboarding and other techniques were delayed by a couple of days before interrogation (presumably giving cover to the actual CIA interrogators who could say they were not involved in waterboarding or even “present” at their application).</p>
<p>Thus we might see a lot of cable traffic on days when Jessen and Mitchell were at work…followed a day or two later with the interrogation. Or there might be higher traffic if there was a medical “event”.</p>
<p>Also how does this stack up with the “authorities” that gave guidelines on how much waterboarding could be applied. Didn’t Yoo say it could only be applied 5 times in a calendar month? I imagine that some torture techniques like the “stress box”, or the sensory deprivation or overloading might be a turn on-turn off sort of instruction. </p>
<p>Furthermore, as the techniques went on Jessen-Mitchell may have been given less specific instructions.</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have a message for you up at 35.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a message for you up at 35.</p>
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		<title>By: JasonLeopold</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/20/april-13-2002-may-6-2002-may-20-2002-may-23-2002-may-28-2002-august-4-2002-august-11-2002/#comment-160206</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonLeopold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK. I am seriously computer challenged. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pubrecord.org/docs/321/Gov-Ltr-Durham%20reversal-destruction.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is the document&lt;/a&gt;. For real. Sorry&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I am seriously computer challenged. <a href="http://www.pubrecord.org/docs/321/Gov-Ltr-Durham%20reversal-destruction.pdf" rel="nofollow">This is the document</a>. For real. Sorry</p>
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		<title>By: JasonLeopold</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/20/april-13-2002-may-6-2002-may-20-2002-may-23-2002-may-28-2002-august-4-2002-august-11-2002/#comment-160205</link>
		<dc:creator>JasonLeopold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.pubrecord.org/docs/321/Gov-Ltr-Durham-reversal-destruction.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.pubrecord.org/docs/.....uction.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.pubrecord.org/docs/321/Gov-Ltr-Durham-reversal-destruction.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.pubrecord.org/docs/&#8230;..uction.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/20/april-13-2002-may-6-2002-may-20-2002-may-23-2002-may-28-2002-august-4-2002-august-11-2002/#comment-160204</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Somebody over at TPM today, in a comment, suggest that there should be a bounty for these tapes that are “destroyed” - and you know, I thought that was pretty creative idea!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bounties got detainees!  Maybe bounties could get us tapes of their torture!  (not that I’d want to see that - on that I’d pass for sure!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody over at TPM today, in a comment, suggest that there should be a bounty for these tapes that are “destroyed” &#8211; and you know, I thought that was pretty creative idea!</p>
<p>Bounties got detainees!  Maybe bounties could get us tapes of their torture!  (not that I’d want to see that &#8211; on that I’d pass for sure!)</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 03:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks to all for all the kind words.  I’m glad to have contributed to the cause.  I’m gonna take a look at the Universal Declaration of Human Rights tomorrow.  I bet there’s got to be something about a right to privacy or something. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Humane treatment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for all the kind words.  I’m glad to have contributed to the cause.  I’m gonna take a look at the Universal Declaration of Human Rights tomorrow.  I bet there’s got to be something about a right to privacy or something. </p>
<p>Humane treatment.</p>
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