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	<title>Comments on: If the Detainee Dies, Doing Sleep Deprivation Is Wrong</title>
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		<title>By: stevelaudig</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevelaudig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it is called ”special circumstances” homicide.  Torture resulting in death and in many states of the united states seeking the death penalty is allowed. not much different from sylvia likens, john wayne gacy,&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it is called ”special circumstances” homicide.  Torture resulting in death and in many states of the united states seeking the death penalty is allowed. not much different from sylvia likens, john wayne gacy,</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
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		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I cannot imagine that it is “visceral” for someone like Colson Whitehead or Obama’s kids, who have been raised with parents who want them to take full advantage of the opportunities they were given. Even for the descendants of Holocaust survivors, “visceral” isn’t enough. You need to be able to work through and claim your history.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot imagine that it is “visceral” for someone like Colson Whitehead or Obama’s kids, who have been raised with parents who want them to take full advantage of the opportunities they were given. Even for the descendants of Holocaust survivors, “visceral” isn’t enough. You need to be able to work through and claim your history.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 03:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d have to agree that withholding the pictures was almost certainly greeted with glee by everyone on the Right and Left except Kucinich, Whitehouse, Brown, Feingold and the other DFH’s in Congress.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d have to agree that withholding the pictures was almost certainly greeted with glee by everyone on the Right and Left except Kucinich, Whitehouse, Brown, Feingold and the other DFH’s in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: SparklestheIguana</title>
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		<dc:creator>SparklestheIguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 00:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since you mention Tim Golden, it ought to be pointed out that Carlotta Gall wrote the first NYT article about Dilawar’s death.  She’s the one who tracked down his family in Afganistan.  They had the death certificate, but because they couldn’t read English they didn’t know what it said, and that the ME had checked &lt;strong&gt;homicide&lt;/strong&gt; as manner of death.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(from &lt;em&gt;Taxi to the Dark Side&lt;/em&gt;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you mention Tim Golden, it ought to be pointed out that Carlotta Gall wrote the first NYT article about Dilawar’s death.  She’s the one who tracked down his family in Afganistan.  They had the death certificate, but because they couldn’t read English they didn’t know what it said, and that the ME had checked <strong>homicide</strong> as manner of death.  </p>
<p>(from <em>Taxi to the Dark Side</em>)</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama’s ‘decision’ “… to protect American politicians …”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After Obama has ‘protected’ and showered even greater wealth on America’s Own Ari$tocracy, he must needs also protect the the other ‘half’ of the Ruling Cla$$, who, of course are … the Political Cla$$. Together, for that is where their primary ‘interests’ lie, these two groups are both “Too Big To Fail” and much too important (and powerful) to be held to ANY kind of account.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with your assessment that the true purpose of torture, beyond the claim of ‘finding’ the evidently absent evidence of linkage between Iraq and Al-Qaeda, was, as you say, “specifically and sadistically”, to horrify, in fact to terrify those being ‘ministered to’ (and, presumably, anyone else in the world who might become uppity) with such fundamental depravity as to make clear that none would ever dare to cross the will or whim of a society which has neither respect for humanity nor ANY compunction as regards doing ANYTHING, at all, to have its way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We treated our allies with disdain (and threats of economic ’sanctions’, if, indeed, some stories making the rounds are true) and maligned most derisively any who dared challenge our ‘perspective’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I find it hard to imagine that this was not ‘bipartisan’, and so far, nothing has occurred on Obama’s ‘watch’ to convince me otherwise, especially since members of both parties likely profit, literally, from the ‘endless war on terror’ and the ‘complicity of silence’, which continues, does little to tug my imagination in any other direction.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama’s ‘decision’ “… to protect American politicians …”</p>
<p>After Obama has ‘protected’ and showered even greater wealth on America’s Own Ari$tocracy, he must needs also protect the the other ‘half’ of the Ruling Cla$$, who, of course are … the Political Cla$$. Together, for that is where their primary ‘interests’ lie, these two groups are both “Too Big To Fail” and much too important (and powerful) to be held to ANY kind of account.</p>
<p>I agree with your assessment that the true purpose of torture, beyond the claim of ‘finding’ the evidently absent evidence of linkage between Iraq and Al-Qaeda, was, as you say, “specifically and sadistically”, to horrify, in fact to terrify those being ‘ministered to’ (and, presumably, anyone else in the world who might become uppity) with such fundamental depravity as to make clear that none would ever dare to cross the will or whim of a society which has neither respect for humanity nor ANY compunction as regards doing ANYTHING, at all, to have its way.</p>
<p>We treated our allies with disdain (and threats of economic ’sanctions’, if, indeed, some stories making the rounds are true) and maligned most derisively any who dared challenge our ‘perspective’.</p>
<p>I find it hard to imagine that this was not ‘bipartisan’, and so far, nothing has occurred on Obama’s ‘watch’ to convince me otherwise, especially since members of both parties likely profit, literally, from the ‘endless war on terror’ and the ‘complicity of silence’, which continues, does little to tug my imagination in any other direction.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that’s right.  Obama’s decision had little to do with safeguarding our troops - the standard GOP and now Democratic trope used to excuse embarrassing policies.  (The US has already adequately inflamed Middle Eastern radicals and those just trying to get to work, or to get safe water, food, schools and roadways.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His non-disclosure of the graphic record of his predecessor’s torture regime is about circling the wagons to protect American politicians at home - primarily from the wrath of their own people, but also from foreign governments who might seek to hold them accountable in the face of their refusal to “self-regulate”.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somehow, Mr. Obama’s “agenda” has become divorced from actually governing.  It seems focused on remaining as governor, not in taking care of the needs of the governed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that’s right.  Obama’s decision had little to do with safeguarding our troops &#8211; the standard GOP and now Democratic trope used to excuse embarrassing policies.  (The US has already adequately inflamed Middle Eastern radicals and those just trying to get to work, or to get safe water, food, schools and roadways.)</p>
<p>His non-disclosure of the graphic record of his predecessor’s torture regime is about circling the wagons to protect American politicians at home &#8211; primarily from the wrath of their own people, but also from foreign governments who might seek to hold them accountable in the face of their refusal to “self-regulate”.  </p>
<p>Somehow, Mr. Obama’s “agenda” has become divorced from actually governing.  It seems focused on remaining as governor, not in taking care of the needs of the governed.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ” by William D. Edwards, MD; Wesley J. Gabel, MDiv; Floyd E. Hosmer, MS, AMI &lt;em&gt;JAMA: Journal of the American Medical Association &lt;/em&gt; March 21, 1986, Volume 255 which includes illustrations [Copyright 1986, American Medical Association]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.creativeyouthideas.com/blog/crucifixion_of_christ.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ”&lt;/a&gt; is informative, both in a historical framwork as well as medically…but perhaps is not fully clinical in its approach.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ” by William D. Edwards, MD; Wesley J. Gabel, MDiv; Floyd E. Hosmer, MS, AMI <em>JAMA: Journal of the American Medical Association </em> March 21, 1986, Volume 255 which includes illustrations [Copyright 1986, American Medical Association]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.creativeyouthideas.com/blog/crucifixion_of_christ.pdf" rel="nofollow">“On the Physical Death of Jesus Christ”</a> is informative, both in a historical framwork as well as medically…but perhaps is not fully clinical in its approach.</p>
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		<title>By: johnhkennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnhkennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Bush/Cheney and their Torture Lawyers took the indefensible and made it debatable.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need a Special Prosecutor appointed to control the giving of immunity  to witnesses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;SIGN THE PETITION&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Calling For A Special Prosecutor&lt;br /&gt;
 for all Torturers at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Over 250,000 have signed&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Join Us&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Bush/Cheney and their Torture Lawyers took the indefensible and made it debatable.</b></p>
<p>We need a Special Prosecutor appointed to control the giving of immunity  to witnesses.</p>
<p><b>SIGN THE PETITION</b><br />
Calling For A Special Prosecutor<br />
 for all Torturers at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</p>
<p><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a></p>
<p>Over 250,000 have signed</p>
<p>Join Us</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a child of a WWII POW, I agree with your understanding of the horror…horror for other prisoners.  These photos probably show public torture…on the parade grounds or in shared or adjacent cells…Americans will see color photos that will read no less terrible than the grainy B&amp;W film of Nazi death camps or even the more “sanitized” the video of Roots.&lt;br /&gt;
As others have observed here and, certainly as I am an artist, I suspect the images Cheneites are most afraid of being exposed are the ones os iron shackles.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a child of a WWII POW, I agree with your understanding of the horror…horror for other prisoners.  These photos probably show public torture…on the parade grounds or in shared or adjacent cells…Americans will see color photos that will read no less terrible than the grainy B&amp;W film of Nazi death camps or even the more “sanitized” the video of Roots.<br />
As others have observed here and, certainly as I am an artist, I suspect the images Cheneites are most afraid of being exposed are the ones os iron shackles.</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Any black person in the US has the viseral understanding of slavery….African or passing.  John Brown knew his state had slavecatchers.   Actually I don’t want to be stubborn but empathy Obama has.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any black person in the US has the viseral understanding of slavery….African or passing.  John Brown knew his state had slavecatchers.   Actually I don’t want to be stubborn but empathy Obama has.</p>
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