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	<title>Comments on: Graham: They Claimed to Have Briefed Before Torture, Did Not</title>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 23:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RE: Pannetta….perhaps this is a tool for the CIA house-cleaning&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Pannetta….perhaps this is a tool for the CIA house-cleaning</p>
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		<title>By: GREYDOG</title>
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		<dc:creator>GREYDOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 21:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TORTURE IS A WAR CRIME.  ANYONE AUTHORIZING IT, DOING IT OR REFUSING TO PROSECUTE IT IS A WAR CRIMINAL.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TORTURE IS A WAR CRIME.  ANYONE AUTHORIZING IT, DOING IT OR REFUSING TO PROSECUTE IT IS A WAR CRIMINAL.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amen!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The flap over Pelosi will be useful if it focuses the minds of Democratic politicians and makes them see that SOMEONE is going to be blamed and that, if they keep up with the constant bipartisan shuffle to the Right, then the Thugs are going to make that someone them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Pelosi has more credibility than managers at the CIA, but that is saying very little. Even if one had only the reports from the MSM, by 2002 or 2003, wouldn’t any semi-sentient being have at least suspected that the Bush people were torturing captives? The signs were everywhere in the rhetoric and in the administration’s general conduct in the runup to Iraq. Yet the members of the Congress club continue to act like they were shocked! shocked to find that illegal acts were going on! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Congressman needs to be either more conscientious/honest than that or more perceptive, in my opinion. Pelosi has still seriously sullied her reputation by letting this happen unchallenged.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The flap over Pelosi will be useful if it focuses the minds of Democratic politicians and makes them see that SOMEONE is going to be blamed and that, if they keep up with the constant bipartisan shuffle to the Right, then the Thugs are going to make that someone them.</p>
<p>I think Pelosi has more credibility than managers at the CIA, but that is saying very little. Even if one had only the reports from the MSM, by 2002 or 2003, wouldn’t any semi-sentient being have at least suspected that the Bush people were torturing captives? The signs were everywhere in the rhetoric and in the administration’s general conduct in the runup to Iraq. Yet the members of the Congress club continue to act like they were shocked! shocked to find that illegal acts were going on! </p>
<p>A Congressman needs to be either more conscientious/honest than that or more perceptive, in my opinion. Pelosi has still seriously sullied her reputation by letting this happen unchallenged.</p>
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		<title>By: Chgo1945</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chgo1945</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why does Pelosi say she was briefed on water boarding just denying that she was told that it had actually occurred? Is Pelosi calling Graham an old liar?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does Pelosi say she was briefed on water boarding just denying that she was told that it had actually occurred? Is Pelosi calling Graham an old liar?</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CNN breaking that Panetta says ”not the policy of CIA to mislead.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sure you are on this EW, but wtf?&lt;br /&gt;
Is this just to calm the staff over at CIA?&lt;br /&gt;
And isn’t that stupid since it will be misused?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or is this just already being used as a new talking point against Pelosi?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNN breaking that Panetta says ”not the policy of CIA to mislead.”</p>
<p>I’m sure you are on this EW, but wtf?<br />
Is this just to calm the staff over at CIA?<br />
And isn’t that stupid since it will be misused?</p>
<p>Or is this just already being used as a new talking point against Pelosi?</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 19:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So … the rules are:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) people were supposed to be informed;&lt;br /&gt;
2) if informed, they were supposed to object.&lt;br /&gt;
3) if someone was informed and they did not object then they are, according to no less an authority than Rove, ”complicit” in torture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the questions are:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) who was informed?&lt;br /&gt;
2) when were they informed?&lt;br /&gt;
3) what did they do about it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now …&lt;br /&gt;
* in order to ”get” Pelosi, the R’s will say the CIA is unimpeachable, they were fully informed, Pelosi is lying, and Pelosi is a war criminal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EXCEPT, there is just one itty bitty little problem …&lt;br /&gt;
If the R’s are going to claim they were informed and that is the ”proof” that Pelosi was informed ….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THEN we need to get rid of various R’s as well as Pelosi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m cool with that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s see all the documents.&lt;br /&gt;
Let’s get answers to all the questions.&lt;br /&gt;
ABOUT EVERYBODY.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So … the rules are:</p>
<p>1) people were supposed to be informed;<br />
2) if informed, they were supposed to object.<br />
3) if someone was informed and they did not object then they are, according to no less an authority than Rove, ”complicit” in torture.</p>
<p>And the questions are:</p>
<p>1) who was informed?<br />
2) when were they informed?<br />
3) what did they do about it?</p>
<p>Now …<br />
* in order to ”get” Pelosi, the R’s will say the CIA is unimpeachable, they were fully informed, Pelosi is lying, and Pelosi is a war criminal.</p>
<p>EXCEPT, there is just one itty bitty little problem …<br />
If the R’s are going to claim they were informed and that is the ”proof” that Pelosi was informed ….</p>
<p>THEN we need to get rid of various R’s as well as Pelosi.</p>
<p>I’m cool with that.</p>
<p>Let’s see all the documents.<br />
Let’s get answers to all the questions.<br />
ABOUT EVERYBODY.</p>
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		<title>By: gussmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>gussmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry klynn, spell check for the pros too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry klynn, spell check for the pros too.</p>
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		<title>By: damagedone</title>
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		<dc:creator>damagedone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So if Senator Shelby was “fully informed” then why did he not protest waterboarding?  They are trying to say Pelosi should have protested.  Why did Senator Shelby not protest?  Does he condone torture?  The Japenese were executed for waterboarding for in WWII.  Just because he is a Republican does not mean he gets to argue both sides.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if Senator Shelby was “fully informed” then why did he not protest waterboarding?  They are trying to say Pelosi should have protested.  Why did Senator Shelby not protest?  Does he condone torture?  The Japenese were executed for waterboarding for in WWII.  Just because he is a Republican does not mean he gets to argue both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 18:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s so friggin’ high school gossipy cliquey icky sometimes.  It’s not analysis or news.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s so friggin’ high school gossipy cliquey icky sometimes.  It’s not analysis or news.</p>
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