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	<title>Comments on: Dick Cheney, Torture, Iraq, and Valerie Plame</title>
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		<title>By: deke4</title>
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		<dc:creator>deke4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 11:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why, of course we can include not only the Democrats, but also the Republicans and Independents. Remember all were acting on the inflammatory lies Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfnowitz, Feith were spreading to justify their rush to war. Remember ”the mushroom cloud”, remember the statement ”We have ’SOLID EVIDENCE’ of Iraq’s wmds, remember the mobile labs and ”this small vial” could cause tens of thousands of deaths. Remember the plea of the IAEA to Bush and his warmongers to ”let us finish our job”. How much proof does it take to prove that Bush and Cheney caused ”the war that should never have been”?&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder what a show like TW3 (That Was the Week That Was) would have made of the warmongers assertions. Bush, Cheney, et al would have been exposed for the fools they really are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, of course we can include not only the Democrats, but also the Republicans and Independents. Remember all were acting on the inflammatory lies Bush, Cheney, Rice, Wolfnowitz, Feith were spreading to justify their rush to war. Remember ”the mushroom cloud”, remember the statement ”We have ’SOLID EVIDENCE’ of Iraq’s wmds, remember the mobile labs and ”this small vial” could cause tens of thousands of deaths. Remember the plea of the IAEA to Bush and his warmongers to ”let us finish our job”. How much proof does it take to prove that Bush and Cheney caused ”the war that should never have been”?<br />
I wonder what a show like TW3 (That Was the Week That Was) would have made of the warmongers assertions. Bush, Cheney, et al would have been exposed for the fools they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: NealDeesit</title>
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		<dc:creator>NealDeesit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 16:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;…how closely Cheney rides herd on these details and how he is willing to ‘destroy’ PEOPLE to get what he wants…including Scooter. I do wonder if things were to get bad enough for him if he would sacrifice his wife, or daughters, or grandchildren for his own salvation…&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a cardioverter-defibrillator-monitored-and-maintained heartbeat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>…how closely Cheney rides herd on these details and how he is willing to ‘destroy’ PEOPLE to get what he wants…including Scooter. I do wonder if things were to get bad enough for him if he would sacrifice his wife, or daughters, or grandchildren for his own salvation…</em></p>
<p>In a cardioverter-defibrillator-monitored-and-maintained heartbeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The most disturbing thing is the way people and events are actually connected.  After Obama was elected I was happy for about a week.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then I continued reading my usual newsblogs, and the Obama administration was continuing the same practices that we were so upset about with the Republicans.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I took a vacation and started studying history in the same manner that EW et al have taken on current political events in the US.  Pearl Harbor is similar to 9/11.  The  United States funded Hitler’s rise to power.  World War I was staged to get a foothold in the Middle East.  The Council of Nicea was the ultimate in political dirty tricks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The amount of human torture that has been planned by others is staggering. The level of suffering that has been planned by others in order to enrich the few has caused me to desire to rise above American politics and look into the history of politics itself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Politics feeds on manipulation through fear and human suffering.  Hegel, the philosopher who posited that thesis v antithesis = synthesis (if you create two opposing sides and then bring them into conflict, you get a brand new force).  It’s old school Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where did Bush, Cheney and Rove come from?  Where did Rahm, Nancy and Barrack come from? And how much human suffering will it take for us to dig deeper and continue connecting the dots that EW and all of you work so hard at concerning Dick Cheney?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who nurtured Dick Cheney?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most disturbing thing is the way people and events are actually connected.  After Obama was elected I was happy for about a week.  </p>
<p>Then I continued reading my usual newsblogs, and the Obama administration was continuing the same practices that we were so upset about with the Republicans.</p>
<p>So I took a vacation and started studying history in the same manner that EW et al have taken on current political events in the US.  Pearl Harbor is similar to 9/11.  The  United States funded Hitler’s rise to power.  World War I was staged to get a foothold in the Middle East.  The Council of Nicea was the ultimate in political dirty tricks.</p>
<p>The amount of human torture that has been planned by others is staggering. The level of suffering that has been planned by others in order to enrich the few has caused me to desire to rise above American politics and look into the history of politics itself.</p>
<p>Politics feeds on manipulation through fear and human suffering.  Hegel, the philosopher who posited that thesis v antithesis = synthesis (if you create two opposing sides and then bring them into conflict, you get a brand new force).  It’s old school Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine.</p>
<p>Where did Bush, Cheney and Rove come from?  Where did Rahm, Nancy and Barrack come from? And how much human suffering will it take for us to dig deeper and continue connecting the dots that EW and all of you work so hard at concerning Dick Cheney?</p>
<p>Who nurtured Dick Cheney?</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you are open minded and smart enough ,go to opednews.com &lt;a href=&quot;http://opednews.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt; click through to the 911 links and start rethinking everything you know. Could you provide links to you many demolition experts who say it wasn’t Controlled demolition. Learn to read with discernment.&lt;br /&gt;
 I said” Just so happened all 120 had to fail simultaneously, miraculously twice other wise they would have canted over.” The comment was all 120  columns failed simultaneously not 120 WTCs failed simultaneously. I’ll accept your theory of pancaking if you provide the pictures of the columns remaining after the pancaking.&lt;br /&gt;
One column is 24′ perimeter of 5″steel failing in an hour from a cold start X 120. I guess the steel companies would love to substitute jet fuel for the train loads of coal needed to make steel and to cut the time needed to melt steel from 24 hours to just an hour.&lt;br /&gt;
911 didn’t change the laws of nature but it sure boosts bush cheney fall down theory.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are open minded and smart enough ,go to opednews.com <a href="http://opednews.com" rel="nofollow"></a> click through to the 911 links and start rethinking everything you know. Could you provide links to you many demolition experts who say it wasn’t Controlled demolition. Learn to read with discernment.<br />
 I said” Just so happened all 120 had to fail simultaneously, miraculously twice other wise they would have canted over.” The comment was all 120  columns failed simultaneously not 120 WTCs failed simultaneously. I’ll accept your theory of pancaking if you provide the pictures of the columns remaining after the pancaking.<br />
One column is 24′ perimeter of 5″steel failing in an hour from a cold start X 120. I guess the steel companies would love to substitute jet fuel for the train loads of coal needed to make steel and to cut the time needed to melt steel from 24 hours to just an hour.<br />
911 didn’t change the laws of nature but it sure boosts bush cheney fall down theory.</p>
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		<title>By: highllama</title>
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		<dc:creator>highllama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 08:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks to the Queen of Timelines and her Court for the great institutional memory this work has become. Cheney et Co. have banked on our willingness to forget or our overloadedness, and threads like these prove that some have not slept through this hiddeous gash in American conscience. I agree so much goes back to Cold War origins and Dick’s sick bunker dreams of Total War. What is the Iraq War but an attempt to envision some of what fortunately didn’t pass between Russia (aka the USSR) and the US? And of course the Iraqi oil grab out from Russian hands, same story new day, and the  twisted brinkmanship that I will always disdain these Reaganeers for…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to the Queen of Timelines and her Court for the great institutional memory this work has become. Cheney et Co. have banked on our willingness to forget or our overloadedness, and threads like these prove that some have not slept through this hiddeous gash in American conscience. I agree so much goes back to Cold War origins and Dick’s sick bunker dreams of Total War. What is the Iraq War but an attempt to envision some of what fortunately didn’t pass between Russia (aka the USSR) and the US? And of course the Iraqi oil grab out from Russian hands, same story new day, and the  twisted brinkmanship that I will always disdain these Reaganeers for…</p>
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		<title>By: CarolA</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarolA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 02:27:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After reading The Dark Side by Jane Mayer, there is no doubt in my mind that “zealots and fools exploited America’s fears and anxieties” and they were “willing to corrupt the whole country to save it” and to protect themselves.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney had spent a decade preparing for nuclear holocaust. He participated in annual drills, hiding in a fortified undergroudn bunker, acting as the sole surviving government leader of an attack. After 9/11 and the anthrax attacks, Cheney’s paranoia and fears of additional attacks morphed into a complicated government takeover. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush/Cheney politicized the justice department to expand their executive powers, reinterpret the laws to establish enemy combatant status for prisoners, and to redefine, condone, carry out, and cover up torture. They approved the CIA’s rendition of detainees to black sights in foreign countries where they could be tortured to supply “proof” that would back up their plan to go to war. They created Guantanamo as an off-shore detention center that was outside the reach of law. They ordered the kidnapping and detention of people from around the world and held them for years without  due process. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The CIA, DOD, Justice Department, and the executive branch ginned up fears of terrorism to promote their political agendas. In the name of “keeping America safe,” they staged a defacto takeover of the U.S. government, carried out illegal acts, circumvented our system of checks and balances, and protected themselves from prosecution with “golden shields” provided by the justice department. Whenever Cheney or Addington were challenged, they browbeat, ridiculed, dismissed, and destroyed the careers of those who dared to speak out(Powell, Plame, Goldsmith, Mora, Zelikow). Many had told Cheney and Addington that what they were doing was in fact torture, it was illegal, and warned them that “we may hang for this.” The Bush/Cheney administration hid the truth from Congressional investigation and 9/11 Commission inquiry behind the excuse of “national security” and shielded themselves with “executive immunity.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just as they lied about the Iran/Contra Affair, the CIA was caught lying to the 9/11 Commission about the existence of torture and interrogation videotapes, and then they destroyed them to avoid embarrassment and prosecution. It is not a stretch to believe that the CIA lied about torture to Nancy Pelosi. Panetta wasn’t there; Tenet and Hadley were, and they were involved in the conspiracy. With the help of his neo-con friend David Addington, Cheney ran the lead up to the war with Iraq, the war on terror, including the torture of detainees while ignorant go-alongs Bush and Gonzales followed in lock step. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe Wilson is right. All of this is connected. Those at the top  who were involved should be required to testify under oath. No more excuses; no more distractions; no more denials. Americans need to understand exactly what Bush/Cheney did and how they got away with it. What they did to individuals to create excuses to go to war and how they ruined our standing in the world is no worse that what they did to destroy our system of government. And they did it right under our noses.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading The Dark Side by Jane Mayer, there is no doubt in my mind that “zealots and fools exploited America’s fears and anxieties” and they were “willing to corrupt the whole country to save it” and to protect themselves.</p>
<p>Cheney had spent a decade preparing for nuclear holocaust. He participated in annual drills, hiding in a fortified undergroudn bunker, acting as the sole surviving government leader of an attack. After 9/11 and the anthrax attacks, Cheney’s paranoia and fears of additional attacks morphed into a complicated government takeover. </p>
<p>Bush/Cheney politicized the justice department to expand their executive powers, reinterpret the laws to establish enemy combatant status for prisoners, and to redefine, condone, carry out, and cover up torture. They approved the CIA’s rendition of detainees to black sights in foreign countries where they could be tortured to supply “proof” that would back up their plan to go to war. They created Guantanamo as an off-shore detention center that was outside the reach of law. They ordered the kidnapping and detention of people from around the world and held them for years without  due process. </p>
<p>The CIA, DOD, Justice Department, and the executive branch ginned up fears of terrorism to promote their political agendas. In the name of “keeping America safe,” they staged a defacto takeover of the U.S. government, carried out illegal acts, circumvented our system of checks and balances, and protected themselves from prosecution with “golden shields” provided by the justice department. Whenever Cheney or Addington were challenged, they browbeat, ridiculed, dismissed, and destroyed the careers of those who dared to speak out(Powell, Plame, Goldsmith, Mora, Zelikow). Many had told Cheney and Addington that what they were doing was in fact torture, it was illegal, and warned them that “we may hang for this.” The Bush/Cheney administration hid the truth from Congressional investigation and 9/11 Commission inquiry behind the excuse of “national security” and shielded themselves with “executive immunity.” </p>
<p>Just as they lied about the Iran/Contra Affair, the CIA was caught lying to the 9/11 Commission about the existence of torture and interrogation videotapes, and then they destroyed them to avoid embarrassment and prosecution. It is not a stretch to believe that the CIA lied about torture to Nancy Pelosi. Panetta wasn’t there; Tenet and Hadley were, and they were involved in the conspiracy. With the help of his neo-con friend David Addington, Cheney ran the lead up to the war with Iraq, the war on terror, including the torture of detainees while ignorant go-alongs Bush and Gonzales followed in lock step. </p>
<p>Joe Wilson is right. All of this is connected. Those at the top  who were involved should be required to testify under oath. No more excuses; no more distractions; no more denials. Americans need to understand exactly what Bush/Cheney did and how they got away with it. What they did to individuals to create excuses to go to war and how they ruined our standing in the world is no worse that what they did to destroy our system of government. And they did it right under our noses.</p>
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		<title>By: JEP07</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEP07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 02:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Opps;  left out that “Let them eat yellowcake” thing.  Somewhere between 1 and 3.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opps;  left out that “Let them eat yellowcake” thing.  Somewhere between 1 and 3.</p>
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		<title>By: JEP07</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEP07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 01:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Truth Commission?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We know the truth, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this should be ”The Lie Commission”&lt;br /&gt;
…they’ll have a lot more stuff to find.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me count the ways. Lie by lie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;#1. WMD&lt;br /&gt;
#2. Saddam/Osama Link&lt;br /&gt;
#3. ”They’ll welcome us with open arms…”&lt;br /&gt;
          (by ”arms” did they mean AK-47’s?)&lt;br /&gt;
#5. Ohio election fraud&lt;br /&gt;
#6. ”We Do Not Torture”&lt;br /&gt;
#7. ”The economy is strong.”&lt;br /&gt;
#8+. fill in the blank(s)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth Commission?</p>
<p>We know the truth, </p>
<p>this should be ”The Lie Commission”<br />
…they’ll have a lot more stuff to find.</p>
<p>Let me count the ways. Lie by lie.</p>
<p>#1. WMD<br />
#2. Saddam/Osama Link<br />
#3. ”They’ll welcome us with open arms…”<br />
          (by ”arms” did they mean AK-47’s?)<br />
#5. Ohio election fraud<br />
#6. ”We Do Not Torture”<br />
#7. ”The economy is strong.”<br />
#8+. fill in the blank(s)</p>
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		<title>By: x174</title>
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		<dc:creator>x174</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 00:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dick Cheney. Torture, Iraq and Valerie Plame &amp; Nine Eleven&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://video.google.com/videop.....8768610598&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dick Cheney. Torture, Iraq and Valerie Plame &amp; Nine Eleven</p>
<p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videop&#8230;..8768610598</a></p>
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		<title>By: ezdidit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ezdidit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 00:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They’ve been bought off with a prized place on the telephone tree, warning of any new ‘attacks.’&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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