Comments on: Senator Bob Graham: The CIA Made Up Two Briefing Sessions http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:02:28 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-158062 Leen Fri, 15 May 2009 14:39:10 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-158062 <p>Doug Feith, Libby, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Addington, Rhode, Luti,</p> Doug Feith, Libby, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Addington, Rhode, Luti,

]]> By: PJEvans http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157939 PJEvans Fri, 15 May 2009 02:19:16 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157939 <p>Or a Langley-sized pile of fresh, um, manure.</p> Or a Langley-sized pile of fresh, um, manure.

]]> By: MarkH http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157936 MarkH Fri, 15 May 2009 02:12:45 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157936 <p>It might better be a call for less politicization of the agency!</p> It might better be a call for less politicization of the agency!

]]> By: MarkH http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157927 MarkH Fri, 15 May 2009 01:58:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157927 <p>There’s nothing Dems need to rescue. All this shows it was Bushie people at the CIA who either didn’t do the briefings to keep Dems in the dark or who were somehow incompetent.</p> There’s nothing Dems need to rescue. All this shows it was Bushie people at the CIA who either didn’t do the briefings to keep Dems in the dark or who were somehow incompetent.

]]> By: timbo http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157898 timbo Fri, 15 May 2009 01:14:14 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157898 <p>What’s fascinating to me here is the possible contradictions from the actual timeline and the ones in Tenet book (et als) about this seem series of events. The case for war crimes indictments against Tenet and various folks in the CIA is growing…not only the possible charges against Bush & Co that have been apparent to the rest of the world outside of the United States™ for some time.</p> What’s fascinating to me here is the possible contradictions from the actual timeline and the ones in Tenet book (et als) about this seem series of events. The case for war crimes indictments against Tenet and various folks in the CIA is growing…not only the possible charges against Bush & Co that have been apparent to the rest of the world outside of the United States™ for some time.

]]> By: gmoke http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157801 gmoke Thu, 14 May 2009 22:21:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157801 <p>Bob Graham famously takes notes on what he does and who he meets every day, many times a day. He probably has those notes to confirm his statements.</p> Bob Graham famously takes notes on what he does and who he meets every day, many times a day. He probably has those notes to confirm his statements.

]]> By: leftdcin72 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157764 leftdcin72 Thu, 14 May 2009 21:15:20 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157764 <p>GEORGE TENET</p> GEORGE TENET

]]> By: Hugh http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157759 Hugh Thu, 14 May 2009 21:05:39 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157759 <p>Not sure how much credit they get for the Iran NIE since it a consensus intelligence product and what it was saying is nothing more than what Baradei and the IAEA had been saying for years. This is not to say that the Iran NIE wasn’t a positive development but I would hardly qualify accepting reality as an intelligence success.</p> Not sure how much credit they get for the Iran NIE since it a consensus intelligence product and what it was saying is nothing more than what Baradei and the IAEA had been saying for years. This is not to say that the Iran NIE wasn’t a positive development but I would hardly qualify accepting reality as an intelligence success.

]]> By: travy http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157744 travy Thu, 14 May 2009 20:49:03 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157744 <p>good catch, this could be big… i think bob graham is a great man (and a gator!!) and one of the few who can still hold his head high with his integrity intact after the bush years. i also find it richly ironic that one of the few negatives attatched to him over his career is his obsessive record keeping which could now be the smoking gun that cracks this open. sweet!</p> good catch, this could be big… i think bob graham is a great man (and a gator!!) and one of the few who can still hold his head high with his integrity intact after the bush years. i also find it richly ironic that one of the few negatives attatched to him over his career is his obsessive record keeping which could now be the smoking gun that cracks this open. sweet!

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/comment-page-1/#comment-157735 eCAHNomics Thu, 14 May 2009 20:36:16 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/14/senator-bob-graham-the-cia-made-up-two-briefing-sessions/#comment-157735 <p>I looked through my marginalia briefly and couldn’t find them. This would have been a perfect occassion for a Kindle because they would be electronically accessable. I’m working on myself to buy one.</p> <p>I do remember that some of the successes noted were part of an ongoing process, and so success in part of it, no matter how important, did not guaranty success in the whole project.</p> <p>The Iran NIE must be considered a success, imo. One of those times when leaping out of the frying pan of the Iraq failure did not cause them to make a mistake on the opposite side, as the CIA has so frequently done.</p> <p>Another thing that was well described in the book was how far back Cheney & Team B goes. Started in the 1970s with the Soviet arms controversy.</p> I looked through my marginalia briefly and couldn’t find them. This would have been a perfect occassion for a Kindle because they would be electronically accessable. I’m working on myself to buy one.

I do remember that some of the successes noted were part of an ongoing process, and so success in part of it, no matter how important, did not guaranty success in the whole project.

The Iran NIE must be considered a success, imo. One of those times when leaping out of the frying pan of the Iraq failure did not cause them to make a mistake on the opposite side, as the CIA has so frequently done.

Another thing that was well described in the book was how far back Cheney & Team B goes. Started in the 1970s with the Soviet arms controversy.

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