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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;If You&#8217;re Trying to Commit a Crime,&#8221; You Wouldn&#8217;t Brief Democrats</title>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Having read a little more about the admin’s actual chances to block release of the images, it seems that this really will be just a delay.  So… enough to get through McChrystal’s confirmation?  That depends on the Tillmans, and the ability of the rest of us to get the assassination and torture reporting highlighted.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read a little more about the admin’s actual chances to block release of the images, it seems that this really will be just a delay.  So… enough to get through McChrystal’s confirmation?  That depends on the Tillmans, and the ability of the rest of us to get the assassination and torture reporting highlighted.</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Graham seems to think that his innuendo against Pelosi will scare all the dems off.  He hasn’t got a clue.  I have no fear of democrats being ”caught up” in the fallout as Cheney’s corner of the country gets ripped apart and put right again.  Whatever it takes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Having said that, I have never not for one minute believed that the briefings were correct, complete, or compliant.  They must have been under some fierce pressure to be forced to give briefings to the gop members.  After the 2000 election, Cheney went up to Capitol Hill and told everyone: you will do what we tell you to do when we tell you and in the way that we tell you.  That’s not what the senators and representatives were expecting.  But that was the plan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They kept everything secret all the time and not just on this.  And more than once over the years they have ”pinky” promised that all briefings were duly conducted.  Liars.  Lies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for proving this ew.  That CIA timeline was such a crock of shit I don’t understand why any responsible agency would inject something like that into this debate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, I don’t think the dems are in much actual jeopardy here.  But if they are: so be it.  It’s a bipartisan issue.  Equal jeopardy for both sides of the aisle.  That’s as it should be.  And perhaps Pelosi will learn that impeachment would have been a better course.  But it’s too late now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m really beginning to wonder how much Obama really understands about all of this.  Not enough, perhaps.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graham seems to think that his innuendo against Pelosi will scare all the dems off.  He hasn’t got a clue.  I have no fear of democrats being ”caught up” in the fallout as Cheney’s corner of the country gets ripped apart and put right again.  Whatever it takes.</p>
<p>Having said that, I have never not for one minute believed that the briefings were correct, complete, or compliant.  They must have been under some fierce pressure to be forced to give briefings to the gop members.  After the 2000 election, Cheney went up to Capitol Hill and told everyone: you will do what we tell you to do when we tell you and in the way that we tell you.  That’s not what the senators and representatives were expecting.  But that was the plan.</p>
<p>They kept everything secret all the time and not just on this.  And more than once over the years they have ”pinky” promised that all briefings were duly conducted.  Liars.  Lies.</p>
<p>Thanks for proving this ew.  That CIA timeline was such a crock of shit I don’t understand why any responsible agency would inject something like that into this debate.</p>
<p>So, I don’t think the dems are in much actual jeopardy here.  But if they are: so be it.  It’s a bipartisan issue.  Equal jeopardy for both sides of the aisle.  That’s as it should be.  And perhaps Pelosi will learn that impeachment would have been a better course.  But it’s too late now.</p>
<p>I’m really beginning to wonder how much Obama really understands about all of this.  Not enough, perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT — I wonder whether the “new arguments” against releasing the pictures that Obama ordered the lawyers to raise to the court will be made public, vs. in secret / in camera.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT — I wonder whether the “new arguments” against releasing the pictures that Obama ordered the lawyers to raise to the court will be made public, vs. in secret / in camera.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ooops…it was Addicott (not Graham) that piped in with that comment about Justice Stevens in the hospital case during the Luban testimony…after Soufar’s testimony had ended. He was directing it to Grahams questioning of witnesses, though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I mean it’s one thing for a politician to misstate the law, it’s quite another for a witness whose supposedly an expert on Constitutional law. Bad news fopr Soufan? Why? Because one Justice might say something in a solo minority opinion? And even that was mischaracterized?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops…it was Addicott (not Graham) that piped in with that comment about Justice Stevens in the hospital case during the Luban testimony…after Soufar’s testimony had ended. He was directing it to Grahams questioning of witnesses, though.</p>
<p>I mean it’s one thing for a politician to misstate the law, it’s quite another for a witness whose supposedly an expert on Constitutional law. Bad news fopr Soufan? Why? Because one Justice might say something in a solo minority opinion? And even that was mischaracterized?</p>
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		<title>By: rschop</title>
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		<dc:creator>rschop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But beyond torture, Soufan is important because of his detailed knowledge of what went on at the FBI and CIA prior to 9/11 that had allowed these attacks to take place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His information is so explosive that all mention of Soufan or even any alias for him was virtually stripped out of the 9/11 Commission report and even the DOJ IG report, when in fact he was lead investigator on the Cole bombing and knew more than anyone outside of FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, his assistant on this investigation, on what occurred that had prevented the FBI from stopping these attacks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He is noted just once in the DOJ IG report as the NY FBI Agent that spoke fluent Arabic who flew out to talk to the FBI/CIA joint source in February 2001, to show the source the passport photo he had been given by the Yemen authorities of Walid Bin Attash, Khallad, the master mind of the Cole bombing. All of the CIA people involved including the CIA Bin Laden unit, the Yemen CIA station, and even the CIA handler for the joint source kept secret the fact that on January 4, 2001, just one month before, Khallad had been positively identified by this same FBI/CIA source from a photo taken of him at the Kuala Lumpur meeting in January 2000, planning the Cole bombing with Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was at this point in time when the criminal actions at the CIA started in earnest to keep all of the information on this Kuala Lumpur meeting secret from the FBI Cole criminal investigators and to keep secret the names of the people who had attended this meeting. This information that all three known al Qaeda terrorists Khallad, Mihdhar and Hazmi were at this meeting planning the Cole bombing was kept secret from the FBI Cole investigators until after the attacks on 9/11. Since the planning for the Cole bombing and the attacks on 9/11 took place at this same meeting, keeping this information secret from the FBI in a wide ranging criminal conspiracy led directly to the al Qaeda terrorists carrying out the successful attacks on 9/11.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But what is so horrific is that the CIA kept this information secret even when the CIA knew both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22-23, 2001, and knew these two al Qaeda terrorists were just about to take part in a massive attack that would kill thousands of Americans. The email from Tom Wilshire deputy chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit to his managers at the CIA CTC on July 23, 2001 proves that not only did he know this but all of his CTC managers were aware of this also. His email also confirms that when they forbid him from giving the information on the Kuala Lumpur meeting to the FBI, and allowed him to continue to hide the photograph of Khallad taken at the Kuala Lumpur meeting, a photo that directly connected Mihdhar and Hazmi to the planning of the Cole bombing, the CIA had to be fully aware that their actions would result in allowing Wilshire and FBI HQ IOS agents he had been working with to shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The CIA must have known that by shutting down the only effective FBI investigation that could have found Mihdhar and Hazmi in time to prevent this huge attack, that thousands of Americans would perish in the attacks that these terrorists were about to take part in. The web site &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eventson911.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.eventson911.com&lt;/a&gt; has the US government’s own source documents that back up all of this information. GO FIGURE!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But beyond torture, Soufan is important because of his detailed knowledge of what went on at the FBI and CIA prior to 9/11 that had allowed these attacks to take place.</p>
<p>His information is so explosive that all mention of Soufan or even any alias for him was virtually stripped out of the 9/11 Commission report and even the DOJ IG report, when in fact he was lead investigator on the Cole bombing and knew more than anyone outside of FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, his assistant on this investigation, on what occurred that had prevented the FBI from stopping these attacks.</p>
<p>He is noted just once in the DOJ IG report as the NY FBI Agent that spoke fluent Arabic who flew out to talk to the FBI/CIA joint source in February 2001, to show the source the passport photo he had been given by the Yemen authorities of Walid Bin Attash, Khallad, the master mind of the Cole bombing. All of the CIA people involved including the CIA Bin Laden unit, the Yemen CIA station, and even the CIA handler for the joint source kept secret the fact that on January 4, 2001, just one month before, Khallad had been positively identified by this same FBI/CIA source from a photo taken of him at the Kuala Lumpur meeting in January 2000, planning the Cole bombing with Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi.</p>
<p>It was at this point in time when the criminal actions at the CIA started in earnest to keep all of the information on this Kuala Lumpur meeting secret from the FBI Cole criminal investigators and to keep secret the names of the people who had attended this meeting. This information that all three known al Qaeda terrorists Khallad, Mihdhar and Hazmi were at this meeting planning the Cole bombing was kept secret from the FBI Cole investigators until after the attacks on 9/11. Since the planning for the Cole bombing and the attacks on 9/11 took place at this same meeting, keeping this information secret from the FBI in a wide ranging criminal conspiracy led directly to the al Qaeda terrorists carrying out the successful attacks on 9/11.</p>
<p>But what is so horrific is that the CIA kept this information secret even when the CIA knew both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22-23, 2001, and knew these two al Qaeda terrorists were just about to take part in a massive attack that would kill thousands of Americans. The email from Tom Wilshire deputy chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit to his managers at the CIA CTC on July 23, 2001 proves that not only did he know this but all of his CTC managers were aware of this also. His email also confirms that when they forbid him from giving the information on the Kuala Lumpur meeting to the FBI, and allowed him to continue to hide the photograph of Khallad taken at the Kuala Lumpur meeting, a photo that directly connected Mihdhar and Hazmi to the planning of the Cole bombing, the CIA had to be fully aware that their actions would result in allowing Wilshire and FBI HQ IOS agents he had been working with to shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.</p>
<p>The CIA must have known that by shutting down the only effective FBI investigation that could have found Mihdhar and Hazmi in time to prevent this huge attack, that thousands of Americans would perish in the attacks that these terrorists were about to take part in. The web site <a href="http://www.eventson911.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.eventson911.com</a> has the US government’s own source documents that back up all of this information. GO FIGURE!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My understanding was that the wounds were to his legs and stomach.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;After the beating I was then placed in the small box. They placed a cloth or cover over the box to cut out all light and restrict my air supply. As it was not high enough even to sit upright, I had to crouch down. It was very difficult because of my wounds. The stress on my legs held in this position meant my wounds both in the leg and stomach became very painful. I think this occurred about 3 months after my last operation. It was always cold in the room, but when the cover was placed over the box it made it hot and sweaty inside. The wound on my leg began to open and started to bleed. I don’t know how long I remained in the small box, I think I may have slept or maybe fainted.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding was that the wounds were to his legs and stomach.</p>
<blockquote><p>After the beating I was then placed in the small box. They placed a cloth or cover over the box to cut out all light and restrict my air supply. As it was not high enough even to sit upright, I had to crouch down. It was very difficult because of my wounds. The stress on my legs held in this position meant my wounds both in the leg and stomach became very painful. I think this occurred about 3 months after my last operation. It was always cold in the room, but when the cover was placed over the box it made it hot and sweaty inside. The wound on my leg began to open and started to bleed. I don’t know how long I remained in the small box, I think I may have slept or maybe fainted.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Zelikow lectures Rachel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zelikow lectures Rachel.</p>
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		<title>By: oldoilfieldhand</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldoilfieldhand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you my favorite spice primate! I hope this is picked up by the press. Huckleberry should know better than to parse such dangerous words.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you my favorite spice primate! I hope this is picked up by the press. Huckleberry should know better than to parse such dangerous words.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ooops. Zelilow lies. Sez U.S. has never used torture, whereas it’s as apple pie as mother. (Or whatever.) See &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Nosenko&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Nosenko&lt;/a&gt;, who was treated just like an “unlawful combatant.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Interrogators from the Soviet Russia division suspected that that Nosenko was a KGB plant and thus Nosenko was seized by CIA officers in Washington and from 1964 to 1967 was held in solitary confinement in a CIA safe house in Clinton, Maryland. Nosenko was also subjected to sensory deprivation and was administered drugs because his CIA handlers believed he was still working in secret for the KGB. Agents also strapped wires to his head, telling him falsely that the device was an electroencephalograph which would allow them to read his mind, while the device was really one that read brainwave patterns. This was a form of psychological intimidation in order to help persuade him to “tell the truth”. He was interrogated for 1,277 days.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops. Zelilow lies. Sez U.S. has never used torture, whereas it’s as apple pie as mother. (Or whatever.) See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuri_Nosenko" rel="nofollow">Nosenko</a>, who was treated just like an “unlawful combatant.”</p>
<blockquote><p>Interrogators from the Soviet Russia division suspected that that Nosenko was a KGB plant and thus Nosenko was seized by CIA officers in Washington and from 1964 to 1967 was held in solitary confinement in a CIA safe house in Clinton, Maryland. Nosenko was also subjected to sensory deprivation and was administered drugs because his CIA handlers believed he was still working in secret for the KGB. Agents also strapped wires to his head, telling him falsely that the device was an electroencephalograph which would allow them to read his mind, while the device was really one that read brainwave patterns. This was a form of psychological intimidation in order to help persuade him to “tell the truth”. He was interrogated for 1,277 days.</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 01:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL eCAHN. He sounded the same at the hearing today too. It’s very possible Cheney ordered his torture and after being strangled for days it effected his voice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL eCAHN. He sounded the same at the hearing today too. It’s very possible Cheney ordered his torture and after being strangled for days it effected his voice.</p>
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