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		<title>By: Palli</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/13/about-the-foto-flip-flop/#comment-158731</link>
		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WOW…I’m so glad I came back to this post and read to the end…   This is a real reason for this presidential decision that can be changed but, in any case, in the hands of the judiciary.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are so many quiet and intelligent ways President Obama is working to dispell the “&lt;strong&gt;Unitary Executive Power&lt;/strong&gt;play” of Cheney.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the Torture issues, I trust Obama and will have patience just as my POW father waited for liberation from Stalag 17.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW…I’m so glad I came back to this post and read to the end…   This is a real reason for this presidential decision that can be changed but, in any case, in the hands of the judiciary.</p>
<p>There are so many quiet and intelligent ways President Obama is working to dispell the “<strong>Unitary Executive Power</strong>play” of Cheney.  </p>
<p>On the Torture issues, I trust Obama and will have patience just as my POW father waited for liberation from Stalag 17.</p>
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		<title>By: cherish</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/13/about-the-foto-flip-flop/#comment-158002</link>
		<dc:creator>cherish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OK I’m late to this and probably EPU’d by now, but nowhere in the comments is there any evidence that anyone reads Al Giordano over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/torturous-debate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Field.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The poker game may not be about the photos, or rule of law at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Giordano writes:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;To deduce why the President shifted in just a few weeks, we have to look at what has changed over the past month since the administration first said it would release the photos.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I can find only one major factor that has changed that has any relation at all to this dust-up, and it was unearthed this week by Michael Crowley at The New Republic, in a scoop titled, &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/05/12/obama-breaks-with-gates-cancels-nuke-program.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“Obama Breaks With Gates, Cancels Nuke Program.”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;The ban on new nuclear weapons is the most historic act, to date, of the Obama presidency, and the national media, punditry and blogospheres have barely touched it. (emphasis mine — c)&lt;/b&gt; The US government now, for the first time since the Manhattan Project of the 1940s, has a policy of producing no new nuclear arms. To accomplish that, the President overruled his own Defense Secretary and many of the top military brass. And when you make a move like that, as a civilian head of state, you have to take very deliberate steps to make sure that the rank-and-file military soldiers and the mid-level brass will be inoculated from manipulation toward “going rogue” or, as has happened in too many nations, conjuring a military coup d’etat by assassination or other means.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;It hasn’t been by happenstance that the young President has personally gone to Langley to address and praise employees of the CIA, and to the FBI building to do the same there, and, of course, he’s gone multiple times to the troops of the Armed Forces, always bearing gifts of better pay and health care and benefits and such. It is what must be done to remain strong enough in position as a real commander in chief to be able to buck the military brass on matters as sweeping and important as ending the production of nuclear weapons by the United States.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;The flap over the release of 29 photos of torture has bought the President the cover he needed to issue this historic anti-nuclear order, one that will bolster and give credibility to his nuclear non-proliferation negotiations with other countries of the world.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I’m late to this and probably EPU’d by now, but nowhere in the comments is there any evidence that anyone reads Al Giordano over at <a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/torturous-debate" rel="nofollow">The Field.</a></p>
<p>The poker game may not be about the photos, or rule of law at all.</p>
<p>Giordano writes:</p>
<p><i>To deduce why the President shifted in just a few weeks, we have to look at what has changed over the past month since the administration first said it would release the photos.</i></p>
<p><i>I can find only one major factor that has changed that has any relation at all to this dust-up, and it was unearthed this week by Michael Crowley at The New Republic, in a scoop titled, <a href="http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2009/05/12/obama-breaks-with-gates-cancels-nuke-program.aspx" rel="nofollow">“Obama Breaks With Gates, Cancels Nuke Program.”</a></i></p>
<p><i><b>The ban on new nuclear weapons is the most historic act, to date, of the Obama presidency, and the national media, punditry and blogospheres have barely touched it. (emphasis mine — c)</b> The US government now, for the first time since the Manhattan Project of the 1940s, has a policy of producing no new nuclear arms. To accomplish that, the President overruled his own Defense Secretary and many of the top military brass. And when you make a move like that, as a civilian head of state, you have to take very deliberate steps to make sure that the rank-and-file military soldiers and the mid-level brass will be inoculated from manipulation toward “going rogue” or, as has happened in too many nations, conjuring a military coup d’etat by assassination or other means.</i></p>
<p><i>It hasn’t been by happenstance that the young President has personally gone to Langley to address and praise employees of the CIA, and to the FBI building to do the same there, and, of course, he’s gone multiple times to the troops of the Armed Forces, always bearing gifts of better pay and health care and benefits and such. It is what must be done to remain strong enough in position as a real commander in chief to be able to buck the military brass on matters as sweeping and important as ending the production of nuclear weapons by the United States.</i></p>
<p><i>The flap over the release of 29 photos of torture has bought the President the cover he needed to issue this historic anti-nuclear order, one that will bolster and give credibility to his nuclear non-proliferation negotiations with other countries of the world.</i></p>
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		<title>By: timbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>timbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 01:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Surprised much?  Put on your Obama button now so that they won’t suspect you of being disloyal…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surprised much?  Put on your Obama button now so that they won’t suspect you of being disloyal…</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It was Peter Pace.  Don’t have link, but that might make it easier to find.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ooops, edit/update: you got it already in the next comment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Peter Pace.  Don’t have link, but that might make it easier to find.</p>
<p>Ooops, edit/update: you got it already in the next comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent points about Odierno.  He’s a very hot potato.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points about Odierno.  He’s a very hot potato.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the anti invasion was incredibly strong before the invasion.  Had never seen anything like it.  Hundreds of thousands accumulatively millions marched across the nation against that invasion in the fall of 2002 and the winter of 2003.  30 million people marched against the invasion around the world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Raven were you there? I sure hope so.  It was a sight to behold.  Plumbers, Doctors, Teamsters, Teachers, students, WWII Korean, Vietnam and Desert Storm Vets, families pushing their children in baby strollers and their parents and grand parents in wheel chairs.  The crowds were made up of a diverse cross section of our population.  Really diverse.  In the anti invasion march in Feb 2003 in New York I had the honor of marching (walking slowly, pushing wheel chairs) with WWII Vets against the invasion.  Get chills thinking about it.  Most folks that I interviewed had well reasoned thoughts on why they were against the invasion.  The sources of the so called intelligence, what people like Scott Ritter, El Baradei, former CIA analyst, Carter, Brezinski, retired military officers etc. Really well thought out reasons for marching &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem a big problem was that the MSM did not cover these marches fairly or accurately.  Hell those tea bag protest had more coverage in one day than the anti invasion marches and protest had in one year.  No Bullshit.  Any coverage that the MSM was often showing the 20 whack jobs at these marches (you know the ones with black hoods over their heads) would be on the evening news and they would show that clip over and over again.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People were burnt out because our Reps and of course the Bush administration did not give a flying fuck what the American public thought, and the media was happy to go along with the Bush administrations agenda.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Raven did you have the pleasure to attend any of those marches?  I sure hope so.&lt;br /&gt;
Protest against the Iraq War&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..e_Iraq_War&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..e_Iraq_War&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the anti invasion was incredibly strong before the invasion.  Had never seen anything like it.  Hundreds of thousands accumulatively millions marched across the nation against that invasion in the fall of 2002 and the winter of 2003.  30 million people marched against the invasion around the world.</p>
<p>Raven were you there? I sure hope so.  It was a sight to behold.  Plumbers, Doctors, Teamsters, Teachers, students, WWII Korean, Vietnam and Desert Storm Vets, families pushing their children in baby strollers and their parents and grand parents in wheel chairs.  The crowds were made up of a diverse cross section of our population.  Really diverse.  In the anti invasion march in Feb 2003 in New York I had the honor of marching (walking slowly, pushing wheel chairs) with WWII Vets against the invasion.  Get chills thinking about it.  Most folks that I interviewed had well reasoned thoughts on why they were against the invasion.  The sources of the so called intelligence, what people like Scott Ritter, El Baradei, former CIA analyst, Carter, Brezinski, retired military officers etc. Really well thought out reasons for marching </p>
<p>The problem a big problem was that the MSM did not cover these marches fairly or accurately.  Hell those tea bag protest had more coverage in one day than the anti invasion marches and protest had in one year.  No Bullshit.  Any coverage that the MSM was often showing the 20 whack jobs at these marches (you know the ones with black hoods over their heads) would be on the evening news and they would show that clip over and over again.</p>
<p>People were burnt out because our Reps and of course the Bush administration did not give a flying fuck what the American public thought, and the media was happy to go along with the Bush administrations agenda.</p>
<p>Raven did you have the pleasure to attend any of those marches?  I sure hope so.<br />
Protest against the Iraq War</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..e_Iraq_War" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..e_Iraq_War</a></p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
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		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 18:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NYT has got that McKiernan also opposed the release of the photos, so this may be bigger than McChrystal as Mary found with the Odierno information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYT has got that McKiernan also opposed the release of the photos, so this may be bigger than McChrystal as Mary found with the Odierno information.</p>
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		<title>By: AKASamurai</title>
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		<dc:creator>AKASamurai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Chess, eh?  Looks a little more like poker to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama add some chits to his stack from the Military by resisting the near-inevitable release of the photos.  He can stop resisting and release the photos anytime he wants . . . even if the Courts say he doesn’t have to.  The effects of the photo release are marginal outside a courtroom or congressional hearing anyway, except that careers can be broken.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nice career you have there . . . be a shame if anything happened to it . . .&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chess, eh?  Looks a little more like poker to me.</p>
<p>Obama add some chits to his stack from the Military by resisting the near-inevitable release of the photos.  He can stop resisting and release the photos anytime he wants . . . even if the Courts say he doesn’t have to.  The effects of the photo release are marginal outside a courtroom or congressional hearing anyway, except that careers can be broken.</p>
<p>Nice career you have there . . . be a shame if anything happened to it . . .</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Outstanding link - thanks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A secret inside deal between Rumsfeld and Cheney -best buds before they joined Bush, seems to have run underneath the Bush Presidency.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One person is still missing and unaccounted for however.  Who in the military, what Commanding Officer supported and facilitated Cheney’s ‘activities’ behind the back of the Commander in Chief and in violation of US laws.&lt;br /&gt;
Whoever he is -he must still be there,under the rug  and still working.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outstanding link &#8211; thanks.</p>
<p>A secret inside deal between Rumsfeld and Cheney -best buds before they joined Bush, seems to have run underneath the Bush Presidency.  </p>
<p>One person is still missing and unaccounted for however.  Who in the military, what Commanding Officer supported and facilitated Cheney’s ‘activities’ behind the back of the Commander in Chief and in violation of US laws.<br />
Whoever he is -he must still be there,under the rug  and still working.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, of course, because the human degradation from abuse and torture, and the craven coverup of the same for political advantage, is oh so civilized. Ad hominem my butt, this discussion is 100% earned.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, of course, because the human degradation from abuse and torture, and the craven coverup of the same for political advantage, is oh so civilized. Ad hominem my butt, this discussion is 100% earned.</p>
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