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	<title>Comments on: Stressing Teh Kitty</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-155056</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If it was a briefing then Jay probably didn’t say anything.&lt;br /&gt;
Can the briefer also claim that? Heh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it was a briefing then Jay probably didn’t say anything.<br />
Can the briefer also claim that? Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-155048</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excuse me while I go throw up. It appears we’re going to pay a very high price for all this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me while I go throw up. It appears we’re going to pay a very high price for all this.</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-155042</link>
		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL! That’s pretty good! I’ll have to remember and use that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL! That’s pretty good! I’ll have to remember and use that.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-155041</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is nasty and I don’t see it getting better any time soon. I doubt that out West they approve of torture, so it’s bad bad bad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is nasty and I don’t see it getting better any time soon. I doubt that out West they approve of torture, so it’s bad bad bad.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-155033</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What an offal joke? Yeech.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an offal joke? Yeech.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-155032</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 03:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So, “going Dutch” means letting the other person pay?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I see. It’s all clear now. Let’s move on to greener pastures with kitties.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, “going Dutch” means letting the other person pay?</p>
<p>I see. It’s all clear now. Let’s move on to greener pastures with kitties.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-155006</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;February 2005: Senior CIA official provides incomplete account of CIA treatment of detainees at HPSCI briefing.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is from EW’s timeline.  Clicking through to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/13/AR2006051301311_pf.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; from the timeline, there is evidence that the CIA lied to Congress.  There is no February briefing on the list, so I’m guessing this HPSCI briefing would have been the one conducted on Jan. 25, 2005.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the CIA was lying to Congress (in this case Hoekstra and Harman), why should we assume the previous briefings were truthful?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have no love lost on Pelosi, but I smell a hitjob in a big way here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>February 2005: Senior CIA official provides incomplete account of CIA treatment of detainees at HPSCI briefing.</p>
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<p>This is from EW’s timeline.  Clicking through to the <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/13/AR2006051301311_pf.html" rel="nofollow">link</a> from the timeline, there is evidence that the CIA lied to Congress.  There is no February briefing on the list, so I’m guessing this HPSCI briefing would have been the one conducted on Jan. 25, 2005.</p>
<p>If the CIA was lying to Congress (in this case Hoekstra and Harman), why should we assume the previous briefings were truthful?</p>
<p>I have no love lost on Pelosi, but I smell a hitjob in a big way here.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-155002</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;HEY Torture Fiends - we have taken this discussion to its own dedicated thread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/pelosis-advisory-on-abu-zubaydah-and-torture/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pelosi’s Advisory On Abu Zubaydah And Torture&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HEY Torture Fiends &#8211; we have taken this discussion to its own dedicated thread.</p>
<p><a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/pelosis-advisory-on-abu-zubaydah-and-torture/" rel="nofollow">Pelosi’s Advisory On Abu Zubaydah And Torture</a></p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Five of the briefings were on Sept. 6, 2006 the same day that (from EW’s torture timeline…)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;September 6, 2006: Bush admits to secret detention program for High Value Detainees. All members of SSCI obtain access to CIA IG Report and Bybee II Opinion.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By then we can safely assume the WH shit has hit the Congressional fan.  So, we have 4 pages of possibly incriminating briefings, rather than 10 (neglecting everything from Sept. 6, 2006 onward).  Although I suppose it doesn’t hurt to point out that the Military Commissions Act was passed by the Senate on Sept. 28th, by the House on Sept. 29th, and signed into law by Bush on Oct. 17th.  So, it’s safe to say the Congressional “fan” was of the delicate papery handheld variety.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Five of the briefings were on Sept. 6, 2006 the same day that (from EW’s torture timeline…)</p>
<blockquote><p>September 6, 2006: Bush admits to secret detention program for High Value Detainees. All members of SSCI obtain access to CIA IG Report and Bybee II Opinion.</p>
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<p>By then we can safely assume the WH shit has hit the Congressional fan.  So, we have 4 pages of possibly incriminating briefings, rather than 10 (neglecting everything from Sept. 6, 2006 onward).  Although I suppose it doesn’t hurt to point out that the Military Commissions Act was passed by the Senate on Sept. 28th, by the House on Sept. 29th, and signed into law by Bush on Oct. 17th.  So, it’s safe to say the Congressional “fan” was of the delicate papery handheld variety.</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/07/stressing-teh-kitty/#comment-154993</link>
		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This looks legit. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From my reading of the briefings report, it seems clear that Pelosi was likely briefed on Waterboarding (”…and a description of the particular EITs [used on Zubaydah] that had been employed”) at the 9/4/02 briefing with Goss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the report is correct, then on one thing there seems to be No Doubt - Jello Jay was Told “how the water board was used” at the 2/4/03 briefing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are enough names named in this report regarding Briefers and Support Staff for each meeting that enterprising reporters ought to be all over this story seeking confirmations of what actually got said.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks legit. </p>
<p>From my reading of the briefings report, it seems clear that Pelosi was likely briefed on Waterboarding (”…and a description of the particular EITs [used on Zubaydah] that had been employed”) at the 9/4/02 briefing with Goss.</p>
<p>If the report is correct, then on one thing there seems to be No Doubt &#8211; Jello Jay was Told “how the water board was used” at the 2/4/03 briefing.</p>
<p>There are enough names named in this report regarding Briefers and Support Staff for each meeting that enterprising reporters ought to be all over this story seeking confirmations of what actually got said.</p>
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