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		<title>By: seesdifferent</title>
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		<dc:creator>seesdifferent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 00:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ew, great piece. My read of the Times article and what I know of Condi Rice suggested that she may have been a principal source. This would be consistent with her modus operandi. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/4/727747/-NYT-stenos-Rices-tortured-version-of-tortureUPDATED&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....ureUPDATED&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ew, great piece. My read of the Times article and what I know of Condi Rice suggested that she may have been a principal source. This would be consistent with her modus operandi. See <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/4/727747/-NYT-stenos-Rices-tortured-version-of-tortureUPDATED" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyo&#8230;..ureUPDATED</a></p>
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		<title>By: Styve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Styve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You should see what the dolts at Powerline have to say about Seeger and the whole event.  It is so out there that it’s almost funny.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should see what the dolts at Powerline have to say about Seeger and the whole event.  It is so out there that it’s almost funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Styve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Styve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Brad Friedman just posted a piece by Sibel Edmunds that involves many of the Goss and Gosslings EW is exposing.  I haven’t read it all, but the potential blackmail angle should be of interest in the context of this discussion.  A few paragraphs are below…as is the link.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7117&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7117&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SIBEL EDMONDS: In Congress We Trust…Not&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The former FBI translator and whistleblower suggests blackmail may be at the heart of Congressional refusal to bring accountability and oversight to its own members - such as both Hastert and Harman - in matters of espionage and national security&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Exclusive to The BRAD BLOG…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Guest Editorial by Sibel Edmonds&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[…]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The recent stunning but not unexpected revelations regarding Jane Harman (D-CA) by the Congressional Quarterly provide us with a little glimpse into one of the main reasons behind the steady decline in the integrity of Congress. But the story is almost dead - ready to bite the dust, thanks to our mainstream media’s insistence on burying ‘real’ issues or stories that delve deep into the causes of our nation’s continuous downward slide. In this particular case, the ‘thank you’ should also be extended to certain blogosphere propagandists who, blinded by their partisanship, myopic in their assessments, and ignorant in their knowledge of the inner workings of our late Congress and intelligence agencies, helped in the post-burial cremation of this case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ironically but understandably, the Harman case has become one of rare unequivocal bipartisanship, when no one from either side of the partisan isle utters a word. How many House or Senate Republicans have you heard screaming, or even better, calling for an investigation? The right wing remains silent. Some may have their hand, directly or indirectly, in the same AIPAC cookie jar. Others may still feel the heavy baggage of their own party’s tainted colleagues; after all, they have had their share of Abramoffs, Hasterts and the like, silently lurking in the background, albeit dimmer every day. Some on the left, after an initial silence that easily could have been mistaken for shock, are jumping from one foot to the other, like a cat on a hot tin roof, making one excuse after another; playing the ‘victims of Executive Branch eavesdropping’ card, the same very ‘evil doing’ they happened to support vehemently. Some have been dialing their trusted guardian angels within the mainstream media and certain fairly visible alternative outlets. They need no longer worry, since these guardian angels seem to have blacked out the story, and have done so without the apparent need for much arm twisting…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hastert Redux&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am going to rewind and take you back to September 2005, when Vanity Fair published an article, which, in addition to my case and the plight of National Security Whistleblowers, exposed the dark side of the then Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert (R-IL), and the corroborated allegations of his illegal activities involving foreign agents and interests.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad Friedman just posted a piece by Sibel Edmunds that involves many of the Goss and Gosslings EW is exposing.  I haven’t read it all, but the potential blackmail angle should be of interest in the context of this discussion.  A few paragraphs are below…as is the link.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7117" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7117</a></p>
<p>SIBEL EDMONDS: In Congress We Trust…Not</p>
<p>The former FBI translator and whistleblower suggests blackmail may be at the heart of Congressional refusal to bring accountability and oversight to its own members &#8211; such as both Hastert and Harman &#8211; in matters of espionage and national security</p>
<p>Exclusive to The BRAD BLOG…</p>
<p>Guest Editorial by Sibel Edmonds</p>
<p>[…]</p>
<p>The recent stunning but not unexpected revelations regarding Jane Harman (D-CA) by the Congressional Quarterly provide us with a little glimpse into one of the main reasons behind the steady decline in the integrity of Congress. But the story is almost dead &#8211; ready to bite the dust, thanks to our mainstream media’s insistence on burying ‘real’ issues or stories that delve deep into the causes of our nation’s continuous downward slide. In this particular case, the ‘thank you’ should also be extended to certain blogosphere propagandists who, blinded by their partisanship, myopic in their assessments, and ignorant in their knowledge of the inner workings of our late Congress and intelligence agencies, helped in the post-burial cremation of this case.</p>
<p>Ironically but understandably, the Harman case has become one of rare unequivocal bipartisanship, when no one from either side of the partisan isle utters a word. How many House or Senate Republicans have you heard screaming, or even better, calling for an investigation? The right wing remains silent. Some may have their hand, directly or indirectly, in the same AIPAC cookie jar. Others may still feel the heavy baggage of their own party’s tainted colleagues; after all, they have had their share of Abramoffs, Hasterts and the like, silently lurking in the background, albeit dimmer every day. Some on the left, after an initial silence that easily could have been mistaken for shock, are jumping from one foot to the other, like a cat on a hot tin roof, making one excuse after another; playing the ‘victims of Executive Branch eavesdropping’ card, the same very ‘evil doing’ they happened to support vehemently. Some have been dialing their trusted guardian angels within the mainstream media and certain fairly visible alternative outlets. They need no longer worry, since these guardian angels seem to have blacked out the story, and have done so without the apparent need for much arm twisting…</p>
<p>Hastert Redux</p>
<p>I am going to rewind and take you back to September 2005, when Vanity Fair published an article, which, in addition to my case and the plight of National Security Whistleblowers, exposed the dark side of the then Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert (R-IL), and the corroborated allegations of his illegal activities involving foreign agents and interests.</p>
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		<title>By: lukery</title>
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		<dc:creator>lukery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Larry Franklin is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&amp;needingMoreList=false&amp;FirstName=Lawrence&amp;Middle=Anthony&amp;LastName=Franklin&amp;Race=U&amp;Sex=U&amp;Age=&amp;x=68&amp;y=14&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;currently free&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’ll be interesting to see what happens to him next.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry Franklin is <a href="http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/InmateFinderServlet?Transaction=NameSearch&amp;needingMoreList=false&amp;FirstName=Lawrence&amp;Middle=Anthony&amp;LastName=Franklin&amp;Race=U&amp;Sex=U&amp;Age=&amp;x=68&amp;y=14" rel="nofollow">currently free</a>.</p>
<p>It’ll be interesting to see what happens to him next.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 23:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I KNEW I knew that name from the Libby trial.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I KNEW I knew that name from the Libby trial.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ot&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;amy did a piece on Pete Seeger’s 90th birthday party.  Outstanding&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This man is a national treasure!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/4/legendary_folk_singer_activist_pete_seeger&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/20.....ete_seeger&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Listen to the way Amy ends her interview and piece on Pete&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;      AMY GOODMAN: And for someone who isn’t so hopeful, who is listening to this right now, trying to find their way, what would you say?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;      PETE SEEGER: Realize that little things lead to bigger things. That’s what Seeds is all about. And this wonderful parable in the New Testament: the sower scatters seeds. Some seeds fall in the pathway and get stamped on, and they don’t grow. Some fall on the rocks, and they don’t grow. But some seeds fall on fallow ground, and they grow and multiply a thousand fold. Who knows where some good little thing that you’ve done may bring results years later that you never dreamed of?&lt;br /&gt;
———————————————————-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks for all the little and big things that FDL folks do for justice and accountability.  I really mean that.  thanks&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ot</p>
<p>amy did a piece on Pete Seeger’s 90th birthday party.  Outstanding</p>
<p>This man is a national treasure!<br /><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/4/legendary_folk_singer_activist_pete_seeger" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20&#8230;..ete_seeger</a></p>
<p>Listen to the way Amy ends her interview and piece on Pete</p>
<p>      AMY GOODMAN: And for someone who isn’t so hopeful, who is listening to this right now, trying to find their way, what would you say?</p>
<p>      PETE SEEGER: Realize that little things lead to bigger things. That’s what Seeds is all about. And this wonderful parable in the New Testament: the sower scatters seeds. Some seeds fall in the pathway and get stamped on, and they don’t grow. Some fall on the rocks, and they don’t grow. But some seeds fall on fallow ground, and they grow and multiply a thousand fold. Who knows where some good little thing that you’ve done may bring results years later that you never dreamed of?<br />
———————————————————-</p>
<p>thanks for all the little and big things that FDL folks do for justice and accountability.  I really mean that.  thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sorry that took me so long.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Saturday May 2, 2009 13:45 EDT&lt;br /&gt;
The need of the most powerful to turn themselves into victims&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/02/goldberg/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.salon.com/opinion/g.....index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Although it’s true — as I argued three years ago and again yesterday — that the prosecution of the two former AIPAC officials was wrong and abusive, that hardly means there was no wrongdoing here.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that sentence really got under my skin “wrong and abusive” since when did holding people accountable for alleged crimes of espionage becoame ‘wrong and abusive”&lt;br /&gt;
——————————————————————-&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Rosen and Franklin get off why is Larry Franklin sitting in prison?  He passed the intelligence onto Americans.  These guys allegedly passed on the classified intelligence to Israeli officials.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is good for the goose is good for the gander.  I say FREE FREE LARRY FRANKLIN .  It has been determined that passing classified intelligence around is “business as usual”  Free Free Larry Franklin&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry that took me so long.</p>
<p>Saturday May 2, 2009 13:45 EDT<br />
The need of the most powerful to turn themselves into victims<br /><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/05/02/goldberg/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/g&#8230;..index.html</a></p>
<p>“Although it’s true — as I argued three years ago and again yesterday — that the prosecution of the two former AIPAC officials was wrong and abusive, that hardly means there was no wrongdoing here.”</p>
<p>that sentence really got under my skin “wrong and abusive” since when did holding people accountable for alleged crimes of espionage becoame ‘wrong and abusive”<br />
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<p>If Rosen and Franklin get off why is Larry Franklin sitting in prison?  He passed the intelligence onto Americans.  These guys allegedly passed on the classified intelligence to Israeli officials.</p>
<p>What is good for the goose is good for the gander.  I say FREE FREE LARRY FRANKLIN .  It has been determined that passing classified intelligence around is “business as usual”  Free Free Larry Franklin</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;She said she does her best thinking ‘walking the dog”. Can we buy her a couple of more dogs.    We could just pay a transcriber to walk with her&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh forgot Mr. emptywheel and she also needs to eat and sleep.  Lucky for the Bush administration&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She said she does her best thinking ‘walking the dog”. Can we buy her a couple of more dogs.    We could just pay a transcriber to walk with her</p>
<p>Oh forgot Mr. emptywheel and she also needs to eat and sleep.  Lucky for the Bush administration</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the most enjoyable thing about visiting this blog is knowing that the repuglitards got NO FUCKING CLUE what they are dealing with&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the condiliar can’t outwit a 10 year old kid&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and we got a frickin human computer here&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;insert random unsorted data&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;push Marcy’s button&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;wait a few minutes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;collect the itemized criminal charges &lt;em&gt;(AND the frickin TIMELINE of the crime)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and we don’t even have to put nickles in this woman to get her to do this stuff. She does it to stay SANE. How cool is that ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;okay so we might have to put a &lt;a href=&quot;https://secure.firedoglake.com/page/contribute/donate&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FEW NICKLES in Emptywheel&lt;/a&gt;, but that’s a recent development&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;an that’s just for some new &lt;strike&gt;hardware&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;strike&gt;flunkies&lt;/strike&gt; &lt;strike&gt;servants&lt;/strike&gt; assistants (lucky bastids)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so if ya like what ya see, put a nickle in the pot, and watch it get better&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I couldn’t find the link to Marcy’s donation page, so could somebody post it for me&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the most enjoyable thing about visiting this blog is knowing that the repuglitards got NO FUCKING CLUE what they are dealing with</p>
<p>the condiliar can’t outwit a 10 year old kid</p>
<p>and we got a frickin human computer here</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>insert random unsorted data</strong></p>
<p>push Marcy’s button</p>
<p>wait a few minutes</p>
<p>collect the itemized criminal charges <em>(AND the frickin TIMELINE of the crime)</em></p>
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<p>and we don’t even have to put nickles in this woman to get her to do this stuff. She does it to stay SANE. How cool is that ???</p>
<p><em>okay so we might have to put a <a href="https://secure.firedoglake.com/page/contribute/donate" rel="nofollow">FEW NICKLES in Emptywheel</a>, but that’s a recent development</em></p>
<p>an that’s just for some new <strike>hardware</strike> <strike>flunkies</strike> <strike>servants</strike> assistants (lucky bastids)</p>
<p>so if ya like what ya see, put a nickle in the pot, and watch it get better</p>
<p><em>I couldn’t find the link to Marcy’s donation page, so could somebody post it for me</em></p>
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		<title>By: jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Way EPU’d, but I love the title of this post..Really, really clever. big &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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