Comments on: Torture Tapes and Briefings http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: acquarius74 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153820 acquarius74 Sun, 03 May 2009 22:04:29 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153820 <p>Abbreviations in that e-mail are:</p> <p>MLDU = Military Liasion and Detainee Unit (FBI)</p> <p>CITF - Criminal Investigation Task Force (a Military unit, DOD)</p> <p>CTD = CounterTerrorism Division (FBI)</p> <p>SSA = Supervisory Special Agent (FBI)</p> Abbreviations in that e-mail are:

MLDU = Military Liasion and Detainee Unit (FBI)

CITF – Criminal Investigation Task Force (a Military unit, DOD)

CTD = CounterTerrorism Division (FBI)

SSA = Supervisory Special Agent (FBI)

]]> By: acquarius74 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153817 acquarius74 Sun, 03 May 2009 21:56:04 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153817 <p>cb12, thanks for link to DKos. In comments there by “Ministry of Truth”, he/she gives the <a href="http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/FBI.121504.3977.pdf" rel="nofollow">link to the PDF file which is photo of the actual e-mail.</a></p> cb12, thanks for link to DKos. In comments there by “Ministry of Truth”, he/she gives the link to the PDF file which is photo of the actual e-mail.

]]> By: Nell http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153815 Nell Sun, 03 May 2009 21:47:04 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153815 <p>Apologies, perris, didn’t see that someone else had already made the correction. I let a lot of misspelling go by, but that one just rankled, partly because your point is an important one.</p> Apologies, perris, didn’t see that someone else had already made the correction. I let a lot of misspelling go by, but that one just rankled, partly because your point is an important one.

]]> By: MrWhy http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153812 MrWhy Sun, 03 May 2009 21:40:55 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153812 <p>Did Cheney make you wear your red shoes?</p> Did Cheney make you wear your red shoes?

]]> By: Nell http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153796 Nell Sun, 03 May 2009 21:11:39 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153796 <p>last <i>throes</i></p> last throes

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153790 emptywheel Sun, 03 May 2009 21:02:14 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153790 <p>No, the idea is that within a month of KSM’s capture, Ashcroft switched his argument about Moussaoui, from calling him the 10th hijacker (like I said, I don’t think they knew they had al-Qahtani yet), to saying he was going to lead a second attack. Well, we know THAT comes from KSM, who appears to have said right away that Moussaoui wasn’t part of the attack. So Mouusaoui started calling out Ashcroft.</p> No, the idea is that within a month of KSM’s capture, Ashcroft switched his argument about Moussaoui, from calling him the 10th hijacker (like I said, I don’t think they knew they had al-Qahtani yet), to saying he was going to lead a second attack. Well, we know THAT comes from KSM, who appears to have said right away that Moussaoui wasn’t part of the attack. So Mouusaoui started calling out Ashcroft.

]]> By: rkilowatt http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153779 rkilowatt Sun, 03 May 2009 19:30:35 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153779 <p>“…seemed to know precisely the moment when KSM refuted the claim he was the 20th hijacker “…</p> <p>That’s telling. The torture-tapes perhaps show “confession” that Moussaoui innocent? Then how to distinguish any confession from faux-confession that seeems the basis for Constitution’s 5th Ammendment?</p> “…seemed to know precisely the moment when KSM refuted the claim he was the 20th hijacker “…

That’s telling. The torture-tapes perhaps show “confession” that Moussaoui innocent? Then how to distinguish any confession from faux-confession that seeems the basis for Constitution’s 5th Ammendment?

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153778 bmaz Sun, 03 May 2009 19:29:30 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153778 <p>And, I should point out that I have been saying AZ and KSM on this line of thought. That was sloppy of me as the two detainees at issue on the destroyed torture tapes are indeed AZ and al-Nashiri. Realized this inadvertent negligence after reading a <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/did-mitchell-and-jessen-have-the-three-other-torture-tapes/#comment-153764" rel="nofollow">comment</a> on the next thread by Aeon. My bad.</p> And, I should point out that I have been saying AZ and KSM on this line of thought. That was sloppy of me as the two detainees at issue on the destroyed torture tapes are indeed AZ and al-Nashiri. Realized this inadvertent negligence after reading a comment on the next thread by Aeon. My bad.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153776 bmaz Sun, 03 May 2009 19:23:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153776 <p>I would argue that the tapes were absolutely material (even if for some reason not ultimately admissible) to even the case for detention of the individual. Even under the Bush kangaroo structure, there was the patina of some formal process for establishing a case for detention. In theory, at least, even when it was the unilateral determination of the executive. If part of your case is what the individual did or didn’t say in interrogation, then the facts, circumstances and evidence of all the interrogations of him must be preserved. Same goes for the situation where interrogation of one subject served as the basis for action as to another. There is only one reason not to do so.</p> I would argue that the tapes were absolutely material (even if for some reason not ultimately admissible) to even the case for detention of the individual. Even under the Bush kangaroo structure, there was the patina of some formal process for establishing a case for detention. In theory, at least, even when it was the unilateral determination of the executive. If part of your case is what the individual did or didn’t say in interrogation, then the facts, circumstances and evidence of all the interrogations of him must be preserved. Same goes for the situation where interrogation of one subject served as the basis for action as to another. There is only one reason not to do so.

]]> By: watercarrier4diogenes http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153774 watercarrier4diogenes Sun, 03 May 2009 19:20:21 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/05/03/torture-tapes-and-briefings/#comment-153774 <p>nm</p> nm

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