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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How wonderful that you are doing that. I hope you’ll give us a follow-up.  Thank you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How wonderful that you are doing that. I hope you’ll give us a follow-up.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Really wish countries around the world would have banded together and demanded an intervention.  Demand that we clean up our act and if not they could cut us off in whatever way they were able.  The tough love act&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really wish countries around the world would have banded together and demanded an intervention.  Demand that we clean up our act and if not they could cut us off in whatever way they were able.  The tough love act</p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
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		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very glad that the therapist spoke.  Those are, it seems to me, invaluable insights.  Why on earth we do not insist on reliable psych profiles of our candidates for higher/highest offices is beyond me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very glad that the therapist spoke.  Those are, it seems to me, invaluable insights.  Why on earth we do not insist on reliable psych profiles of our candidates for higher/highest offices is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
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		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I could be wrong about this, but I would wonder if Cheney had an alcoholic or absent dad. And whether or not mom “parentified” him at an early age. This can be very subtle and hard to see from the “outside”. He would have developed a sense of grandiosity, a competitiveness with his father, and a tolerance for being powerful, secretive and one down. (but knowing that he was his mother’s real savior and that father was failing in his duties). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a common alliance in alcoholic families. We know bush is an alcoholic per admissions about his life. The two of them made a perfect duo if that disease is running things as I suspect. Cheney took care of business for the alcoholic bush and manipulated things from behind the scenes. My guess is that the closest around them knew bush was “impaired” and that Cheney covered. This would fit in to the childhood pattern. It feeds the grandiosity and passive aggressive patterns toward bush the president and technical boss. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The disease of alcoholism has certain tell tale symptoms:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) secrets&lt;br /&gt;
2) the need for controlling external events; authoritarianism&lt;br /&gt;
3) denial and scape goating&lt;br /&gt;
4) extreme fear and paranoia&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that Cheney had a dad or mom who liked to drink to excess. Enough that he had to “be the man” behind the scenes at an early age. (maybe the cause could have been depression or some other mental illness, but because bush himself has clear and admitted issues in regard to alcohol dependence, my gut says that alcoholism would be the culprit). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is all supposition…theoretical…but having done tons of work with alcoholic families…the bush presidency sure seems to operate like one large alcoholic clan. And in my humble opinion our 2nd and third “estate” in the checks and balances operated just like the members of an alcoholic family. Congress became fearful of retribution so instead of setting clear boundaries enabled the alcoholic. Everyone participated in some denial. Triangulating occurred and no one confronted the elephant in the room for fear of retribution. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is what happens in alcoholic families all over America. And if we view this country as one big alcoholic family, the country needs recovery. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1)admitted we were powerless (over controlling bushco, alcoholics, and drug addicts).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. (the constitution) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) turned our will and lives over to the care of a loving constitution&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4) did a searching and fearless moral inventory&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5) Admitted to ourselves, the constitution, and another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. (substitute another country for human being). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6) became ready to ask the constitution to remove all our defects of character.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7) Asked god to remove all our defects of character.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  made a list of all we had harmed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;9) made amends to all we had harmed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;10) continued to take a moral inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;11) continued to improve our conscious contact with the constitution&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;12) Continued to spread the program to those in need by way of attraction, not promotion. (being the kind of country others would want to emulate instead of using dominance and force). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In my view this country really needs recovery and my fear is that mr. o might have a few hidden addiction issues of his own that might muddy the water in regard to the above process that seems pretty valid in it’s effectiveness for evolving the human race to a higher moral ground. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The therapist will shut up now…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong about this, but I would wonder if Cheney had an alcoholic or absent dad. And whether or not mom “parentified” him at an early age. This can be very subtle and hard to see from the “outside”. He would have developed a sense of grandiosity, a competitiveness with his father, and a tolerance for being powerful, secretive and one down. (but knowing that he was his mother’s real savior and that father was failing in his duties). </p>
<p>This is a common alliance in alcoholic families. We know bush is an alcoholic per admissions about his life. The two of them made a perfect duo if that disease is running things as I suspect. Cheney took care of business for the alcoholic bush and manipulated things from behind the scenes. My guess is that the closest around them knew bush was “impaired” and that Cheney covered. This would fit in to the childhood pattern. It feeds the grandiosity and passive aggressive patterns toward bush the president and technical boss. </p>
<p>The disease of alcoholism has certain tell tale symptoms:</p>
<p>1) secrets<br />
2) the need for controlling external events; authoritarianism<br />
3) denial and scape goating<br />
4) extreme fear and paranoia</p>
<p>It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that Cheney had a dad or mom who liked to drink to excess. Enough that he had to “be the man” behind the scenes at an early age. (maybe the cause could have been depression or some other mental illness, but because bush himself has clear and admitted issues in regard to alcohol dependence, my gut says that alcoholism would be the culprit). </p>
<p>This is all supposition…theoretical…but having done tons of work with alcoholic families…the bush presidency sure seems to operate like one large alcoholic clan. And in my humble opinion our 2nd and third “estate” in the checks and balances operated just like the members of an alcoholic family. Congress became fearful of retribution so instead of setting clear boundaries enabled the alcoholic. Everyone participated in some denial. Triangulating occurred and no one confronted the elephant in the room for fear of retribution. </p>
<p>This is what happens in alcoholic families all over America. And if we view this country as one big alcoholic family, the country needs recovery. </p>
<p>1)admitted we were powerless (over controlling bushco, alcoholics, and drug addicts).</p>
<p>2) came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. (the constitution) </p>
<p>3) turned our will and lives over to the care of a loving constitution</p>
<p>4) did a searching and fearless moral inventory</p>
<p>5) Admitted to ourselves, the constitution, and another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. (substitute another country for human being). </p>
<p>6) became ready to ask the constitution to remove all our defects of character.</p>
<p>7) Asked god to remove all our defects of character.</p>
<p>  made a list of all we had harmed.</p>
<p>9) made amends to all we had harmed.</p>
<p>10) continued to take a moral inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. </p>
<p>11) continued to improve our conscious contact with the constitution</p>
<p>12) Continued to spread the program to those in need by way of attraction, not promotion. (being the kind of country others would want to emulate instead of using dominance and force). </p>
<p>In my view this country really needs recovery and my fear is that mr. o might have a few hidden addiction issues of his own that might muddy the water in regard to the above process that seems pretty valid in it’s effectiveness for evolving the human race to a higher moral ground. </p>
<p>The therapist will shut up now…</p>
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		<title>By: jackie</title>
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		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 12:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Still, odd timing for Judge Souter to leave.. Could be he knows what is coming? and doesn’t want to have to see and judge on  just how low BushCo took this country?&lt;br /&gt;
The Bush family will not just roll over and let Jr get put on trial. Too many secrets. They will push this to the Supreme Court and beyond to stop Jr from War Crime trials in the Hague. Interesting times..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still, odd timing for Judge Souter to leave.. Could be he knows what is coming? and doesn’t want to have to see and judge on  just how low BushCo took this country?<br />
The Bush family will not just roll over and let Jr get put on trial. Too many secrets. They will push this to the Supreme Court and beyond to stop Jr from War Crime trials in the Hague. Interesting times..</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 11:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am personally  working on addressing that with some seminaries. Torture does not fit into Justified War Theory.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am personally  working on addressing that with some seminaries. Torture does not fit into Justified War Theory.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 07:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I getting deja vu all over again. Don’t we already have a dos equis on this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I getting deja vu all over again. Don’t we already have a dos equis on this?</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 06:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This just in from Raw Story: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/04/30/gop-it-gurus-sisters-question-events-surrounding-his-death/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GOP IT guru’s sisters question events surrounding his death&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
By Stephen C. Webster&lt;br /&gt;
Published: April 30, 2009&lt;br /&gt;
Updated 12 hours ago &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is it time for some more diaries about Bush admin e-mails?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just in from Raw Story: </p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/08/blog/2009/04/30/gop-it-gurus-sisters-question-events-surrounding-his-death/" rel="nofollow">GOP IT guru’s sisters question events surrounding his death</a><br />
By Stephen C. Webster<br />
Published: April 30, 2009<br />
Updated 12 hours ago </p>
<p>Is it time for some more diaries about Bush admin e-mails?</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: SparklestheIguana</title>
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		<dc:creator>SparklestheIguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 05:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What about either Charles Ogletree or the guy he accidentially plagiarized from, Jack Balkin.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about either Charles Ogletree or the guy he accidentially plagiarized from, Jack Balkin.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 05:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jordan isn’t Ivy League in any regard, which all but eliminates her from consideration by Obama.  His track record shows almost exclusive dedication to Ivy Leaguers, and most all of those from Harvard.  Secondly, Jordan looks too liberal, Obama will pick someone that is a total centrist like Sotomayor or Kagan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan isn’t Ivy League in any regard, which all but eliminates her from consideration by Obama.  His track record shows almost exclusive dedication to Ivy Leaguers, and most all of those from Harvard.  Secondly, Jordan looks too liberal, Obama will pick someone that is a total centrist like Sotomayor or Kagan.</p>
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