Comments on: 9th Circuit Rejects Obama/Bush State Secrets Argument In Mohammed http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:35:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: perris http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152366 perris Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:01:15 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152366 <p>thanx leen, I have to repost that link, must see teevee here</p> <p><a href="http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22511.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://informationclearinghous" rel="nofollow">http://informationclearinghous</a>…..e22511.htm</p> <p>bush saying “it is no defense saying I was just following orders, war criminals will be prosecuted”, someone over at the lake posted the link, it’s excellant</p> <p>please get that up front page here and at the mother ship</p> thanx leen, I have to repost that link, must see teevee here

http://informationclearinghous…..e22511.htm

bush saying “it is no defense saying I was just following orders, war criminals will be prosecuted”, someone over at the lake posted the link, it’s excellant

please get that up front page here and at the mother ship

]]> By: perris http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152365 perris Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:57:23 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152365 <p>so let me ask something and believe me, I am NOT among those who believe obama is playing some master chess, I am posing a practical question;</p> <p>suppose obama oposed the bush position and did not defend those same positions</p> <p>I believe that would leave us open to those decisions being used and tried again in the future</p> <p>I think we’re far better off having a decision rendered before a judge rather then an administrative policy decision</p> <p>and mark my words here, when obama leaves office it wouldn’t take a genous to make that claim even if his intentions weren’t there</p> so let me ask something and believe me, I am NOT among those who believe obama is playing some master chess, I am posing a practical question;

suppose obama oposed the bush position and did not defend those same positions

I believe that would leave us open to those decisions being used and tried again in the future

I think we’re far better off having a decision rendered before a judge rather then an administrative policy decision

and mark my words here, when obama leaves office it wouldn’t take a genous to make that claim even if his intentions weren’t there

]]> By: JohnJ http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152358 JohnJ Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:01:02 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152358 <p>Sorry, but unless it’s got a Flux Capacitor that car shown ain’t gonna fly. (But the canard is a nice touch).</p> <p>We finally disagree about something…can we get a muscle car trash talk thread goin’ here?</p> Sorry, but unless it’s got a Flux Capacitor that car shown ain’t gonna fly. (But the canard is a nice touch).

We finally disagree about something…can we get a muscle car trash talk thread goin’ here?

]]> By: JohnJ http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152357 JohnJ Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:00:18 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152357 <p>It may not be a popular opinion, I pretty much have thought this from the beginning myself.</p> <p>As to why 50% of this country thinks torture is acceptable; way too many movies and too much TV. </p> <p>Example: how many people think you can “safely” knock someone unconscious? We have see it as a simple (and cheap) writers device used almost daily on TV, but the reality? On detective shows I have even seen where friends knock friends out, just to keep them safe!! </p> <p>My favorite new device is the head to head butt that somehow only hurts the target, I think that is a little joke by the writers on the idiot public. Go right ahead and try it dumbass!!</p> <p>We Americans can really be the stupidest people on the planet; just show us something on TV enough….</p> <p>Why do ya think <strike>the big dick</strike> Faux TV has “24″?</p> It may not be a popular opinion, I pretty much have thought this from the beginning myself.

As to why 50% of this country thinks torture is acceptable; way too many movies and too much TV.

Example: how many people think you can “safely” knock someone unconscious? We have see it as a simple (and cheap) writers device used almost daily on TV, but the reality? On detective shows I have even seen where friends knock friends out, just to keep them safe!!

My favorite new device is the head to head butt that somehow only hurts the target, I think that is a little joke by the writers on the idiot public. Go right ahead and try it dumbass!!

We Americans can really be the stupidest people on the planet; just show us something on TV enough….

Why do ya think the big dick Faux TV has “24″?

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152355 bmaz Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:16:23 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152355 <p>The “truly egregious decision of the trial court” you refer to was issued based on arguments made by the Bush DOJ; arguments that Obama has not only adopted, but upped the ante on, since he took office. Obama, in the <em>Mohamed v. Jeppesen</em> case, stands in every bit the filthy shoes of Bush. So, yes, he got his ass kicked, and deservedly so; it was an egregious position he staked out and fought rabidly for.</p> The “truly egregious decision of the trial court” you refer to was issued based on arguments made by the Bush DOJ; arguments that Obama has not only adopted, but upped the ante on, since he took office. Obama, in the Mohamed v. Jeppesen case, stands in every bit the filthy shoes of Bush. So, yes, he got his ass kicked, and deservedly so; it was an egregious position he staked out and fought rabidly for.

]]> By: brownrecluse http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152353 brownrecluse Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:05:53 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152353 <p>Whose ass is getting kicked? </p> <p>This is a Bush DOJ case from the old days. The appeal is from a truly egregious decision of the trial court in favor of the Bush DOJ. Additional gravitas is given to the Appeal Court’s decision with an active case by the Obama DOJ. The end result is precedent that Obama’s DOJ can now apply to all cases of this nature.</p> <p>Why is this not a huge win for those who have railed against the Bush DOJ?</p> Whose ass is getting kicked?

This is a Bush DOJ case from the old days. The appeal is from a truly egregious decision of the trial court in favor of the Bush DOJ. Additional gravitas is given to the Appeal Court’s decision with an active case by the Obama DOJ. The end result is precedent that Obama’s DOJ can now apply to all cases of this nature.

Why is this not a huge win for those who have railed against the Bush DOJ?

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152345 phred Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:14:37 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152345 <p>So it’s a Flying Camaro instead of a Flying Ferrari??? ; )</p> So it’s a Flying Camaro instead of a Flying Ferrari??? ; )

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152344 phred Wed, 29 Apr 2009 04:13:06 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152344 <p>You’re hilarious — not to mention in a rut (oooo, an unintended but possibly appropriate pun ; ) No, Petro, that’s not an option, but if you go to the next Flying Auto Show, you should be in luck ; )</p> You’re hilarious — not to mention in a rut (oooo, an unintended but possibly appropriate pun ; ) No, Petro, that’s not an option, but if you go to the next Flying Auto Show, you should be in luck ; )

]]> By: Petrocelli http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152338 Petrocelli Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:40:06 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152338 <p><a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/17/obama-hates-the-truth-on-binyan-mohamed/" rel="nofollow">That would be this thread, where Jeri Lynn Mooney appeared, as if by magic, through teh toobz …</a></p> <p>I’ll forgive an uninspiring interior (I’m looking at you, BMW) if the suspension and handling is exhilarating … and if the ragtop does not squeak when it’s in the “up” position.</p> That would be this thread, where Jeri Lynn Mooney appeared, as if by magic, through teh toobz …

I’ll forgive an uninspiring interior (I’m looking at you, BMW) if the suspension and handling is exhilarating … and if the ragtop does not squeak when it’s in the “up” position.

]]> By: Nell http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-152322 Nell Wed, 29 Apr 2009 02:20:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/28/9th-circuit-rejects-obamabush-state-secrets-argument-in-mohammed/#comment-152322 <p>Mary can speak for herself, but I didn’t take her to be saying that the 9th Circuit judges as the frivolous or obstructive ones; that’s the Obama DoJ — frivolous if they’re playing around with a position they don’t believe in, obstructive if they do believe in it.</p> Mary can speak for herself, but I didn’t take her to be saying that the 9th Circuit judges as the frivolous or obstructive ones; that’s the Obama DoJ — frivolous if they’re playing around with a position they don’t believe in, obstructive if they do believe in it.

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