Comments on: Torture Timeline and Iraq-Al Qaeda Ties

By: lysias

lysias — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:33:26 +0000

When Rumsfeld made that comment about “Old” and “New Europe,” had the secret CIA prisons in Poland and Romania already opened?

By: phred

phred — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:46:50 +0000

Once again rosalind, WOW. Over at Ely’s diary, cinnamonape suggests this story is the one that had Zimerman so angry and I would have to agree. I had no idea that Poland was investigating any of this, and here they’ve been working on it for a year…

EW, if you happen to look back here, I would just like to point out that near then end of the Der Spiegel article they mention investigations into a secret prison in ROMANIA ; ) I just felt compelled to point that out ; )

By: lysias

lysias — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:16:42 +0000

I wonder if Zimerman was aware of the new news about the CIA secret prison in Poland.

By: lysias

lysias — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:05:36 +0000

Wayne Madsen has claimed that, when Cheney visited Auschwitz for the 60th anniversary of its liberation in Jan. 2005, he made a side trip to that secret CIA prison in Poland. I wonder if he witnessed any torture.

By: scottpot

scottpot — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:32:13 +0000

In response to aeon @ 40 and robspierre @ 98
My point was that the Al- Qaeda myth was created by Rove and the weak and complicit media.Al-Qaeda was not a national security issue in January 2000.
Here*s former Atty.General Janet Reno*s testimony{p.269)from the 9/11 Investigations.
Commissioner Timothy J.Roemer:”Do you recall-and excuse me for pushing you on this-but do you recall mentioning Al-Qaeda,Osama bin Laden,domestic cells of terrorists in the United States to the new attorney general?”
Reno:”No,I don*t”
My conclusion to that exchange is the reason for my origanal post @26.I am questioning the plausibility of the existance of the Al-Qaeda that Rove and the media created. The kidnappings,sleeper cells,bio-terror labs,and nukes never existed.If Al-Qaeda is everywhere ,why aren*t there any attacks on the thousands of U.S. interests around the world.They are all soft targets.Why aren* we being poisoned,bombed,run down by hijacked big rigs,sniped at in parking lots?It*s because The Al-Qaeda Brand that Rove and the media rolled out a week after 9/11 never existed . The hype exceeded the capacity to attack.Al-Qaeda would never truly threaten the United States.
The threat posed by Al-Qaeda was exagerated.The frightened and gullible public bought the story.It was a myth. The myth that still controls American minds.

By: Leen

Leen — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:19:01 +0000

he had doubts before that UN speech according to Wilkerson

By: FormerFed

FormerFed — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:36:35 +0000

EW – thanks – sorry I took up your time, it was on FISA.

By: FormerFed

FormerFed — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:35:03 +0000

Thanks. I am sorry I brought it up because it is on FISA and not torture, although who knows what is connected to what anymore?

By: ondelette

ondelette — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:25:58 +0000

Please add November 13th 2001: President Bush declares an “extraordinary emergency”, signing Military Order “Detention, Treatment, and Trial of Certain Noncitizens in the War Against Terrorism”, in which he coins, but does not define, the charge of “enemy combatant”, and establishes for the use of military tribunals at Guantanamo Bay. (source. B. Olshansky, Democracy Detained, pp. 47-48).

By: fatster

fatster — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 02:21:28 +0000

There’s more:

New evidence of a secret torture prison

It has long been clear that the CIA used the Szymany military airbase in Poland for extraordinary renditions. Now there is new evidence of a secret torture prison nearby.

By John Goetz and Britta Sandberg

Khalid Sheik Mohammed

http://www.salon.com/news/feat.....print.html
http://tinyurl.com/c74swo