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	<title>Comments on: About Democratic Complicity: the Early Briefings on Torture</title>
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		<title>By: SparklestheIguana</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/about-democratic-complicity-the-early-briefings-on-torture/#comment-151749</link>
		<dc:creator>SparklestheIguana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have no idea, but sometimes Sullivan is like a dog who won’t let go of a bone.  Like the way he flogged his suspicions of Sarah Palin not actually being the mother of Tripp, or Trapp, or whatever the poor baby’s name is, to the point of ridiculousness.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea, but sometimes Sullivan is like a dog who won’t let go of a bone.  Like the way he flogged his suspicions of Sarah Palin not actually being the mother of Tripp, or Trapp, or whatever the poor baby’s name is, to the point of ridiculousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/about-democratic-complicity-the-early-briefings-on-torture/#comment-151740</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What about Feith/Perle and defense contracts in Turkey.  Thought I remember reading somewhere that Plame had been doing some work (spying) in this nect of the woods.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about Feith/Perle and defense contracts in Turkey.  Thought I remember reading somewhere that Plame had been doing some work (spying) in this nect of the woods.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/about-democratic-complicity-the-early-briefings-on-torture/#comment-151730</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting — wouldn’t we all like to know what Cheney had in his office before the unfortunate fire — or in his file marked “Detainees”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting — wouldn’t we all like to know what Cheney had in his office before the unfortunate fire — or in his file marked “Detainees”.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/about-democratic-complicity-the-early-briefings-on-torture/#comment-151721</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He didn’t protect them from the raid, which he might not have known about, but he and Addington were johnnies on the spot immediately thereafter saying that the FBI should not have been allowed to raid Congressional offices.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He didn’t protect them from the raid, which he might not have known about, but he and Addington were johnnies on the spot immediately thereafter saying that the FBI should not have been allowed to raid Congressional offices.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/about-democratic-complicity-the-early-briefings-on-torture/#comment-151720</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And if that is correct, it makes the incredible story of &lt;a href=&quot;http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu/projects/the-guantanamo-testimonials-project/testimonies/testimony-of-a-cia-asset/testimony-of-a-cia-asset-index&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Abdurahmen Khadr &lt;/a&gt;seem a bit more plausible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;… in November 2001, Mr. Khadr was taken prisoner by the Northern Alliance. He was then turned over to American forces, who investigated him and eventually hired him as an undercover CIA informer. As such he was planted, in the early months of 2003, as an “enemy combatant” in Guantánamo, where Mr. Khadr’s brother Omar was being held.&lt;br /&gt;
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Although the CIA has declined to comment on Mr. Khadr, the self-described CIA asset did submit to a polygraph examination in which he was asked about his work for U.S. intelligence, being paid for it and being flown on a small jet to Bosnia for his mission there. On all major aspects of his story, Abdurahman passed the polygraph (see Frontline’s editor’s note here). Further confirmation of Mr. Khadr’s story comes from The New York Times, which has reported that the broad outlines of Mr. Khadr’s story has been confirmed by an unnamed American official (see here). &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very strange story, but one thing he says is that only about 10% of those at GITMO were al-Qaeda or likely to work with al-Qaeda and supposedly he passed that info on, up channel.  Another weird aspect is that someone bought movie rights to his story and supposedly a script is being written.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if that is correct, it makes the incredible story of <a href="http://humanrights.ucdavis.edu/projects/the-guantanamo-testimonials-project/testimonies/testimony-of-a-cia-asset/testimony-of-a-cia-asset-index" rel="nofollow">Abdurahmen Khadr </a>seem a bit more plausible.</p>
<blockquote><p>… in November 2001, Mr. Khadr was taken prisoner by the Northern Alliance. He was then turned over to American forces, who investigated him and eventually hired him as an undercover CIA informer. As such he was planted, in the early months of 2003, as an “enemy combatant” in Guantánamo, where Mr. Khadr’s brother Omar was being held.<br />
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Although the CIA has declined to comment on Mr. Khadr, the self-described CIA asset did submit to a polygraph examination in which he was asked about his work for U.S. intelligence, being paid for it and being flown on a small jet to Bosnia for his mission there. On all major aspects of his story, Abdurahman passed the polygraph (see Frontline’s editor’s note here). Further confirmation of Mr. Khadr’s story comes from The New York Times, which has reported that the broad outlines of Mr. Khadr’s story has been confirmed by an unnamed American official (see here). </p>
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<p>Very strange story, but one thing he says is that only about 10% of those at GITMO were al-Qaeda or likely to work with al-Qaeda and supposedly he passed that info on, up channel.  Another weird aspect is that someone bought movie rights to his story and supposedly a script is being written.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/about-democratic-complicity-the-early-briefings-on-torture/#comment-151717</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve often wondered how many congress critters are being picked up. Jello Jay was so insistent about releasing the Phase II part of the Inquiry into the Iraq war when the dems were in the minority and Roberts was dragging his feet on releasing it. When the Dems got the majority all of a sudden the release wasn’t so important. I still think they have something on Jay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t recall Cheney’s the reaction to the Jefferson raid. Did he protect Jefferson’s office from being raided by the FBI? That sure wouldn’t surprise me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is Edmonds still on a gag order by Congress?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve often wondered how many congress critters are being picked up. Jello Jay was so insistent about releasing the Phase II part of the Inquiry into the Iraq war when the dems were in the minority and Roberts was dragging his feet on releasing it. When the Dems got the majority all of a sudden the release wasn’t so important. I still think they have something on Jay.</p>
<p>I don’t recall Cheney’s the reaction to the Jefferson raid. Did he protect Jefferson’s office from being raided by the FBI? That sure wouldn’t surprise me.</p>
<p>Is Edmonds still on a gag order by Congress?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;98 - Hastert and Turkey have come up in connection with Edmonds.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Makes you wonder how many members of Congress were being picked up. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also makes you revisit Cheney’s reaction to the Jefferson raid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>98 &#8211; Hastert and Turkey have come up in connection with Edmonds.  </p>
<p>Makes you wonder how many members of Congress were being picked up. </p>
<p>Also makes you revisit Cheney’s reaction to the Jefferson raid.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/about-democratic-complicity-the-early-briefings-on-torture/#comment-151709</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;91 &amp; 93 - IIRC - Didn’t Seibel Edmonds hear Hastert on a wiretap and believes him to be compromised?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>91 &amp; 93 &#8211; IIRC &#8211; Didn’t Seibel Edmonds hear Hastert on a wiretap and believes him to be compromised?</p>
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		<title>By: Dalybean</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/26/about-democratic-complicity-the-early-briefings-on-torture/#comment-151706</link>
		<dc:creator>Dalybean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am sort of wondering where Andrew Sullivan is coming from in his near daily calls for the “exposure” of Nancy Pelosi.  Anyone know?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sort of wondering where Andrew Sullivan is coming from in his near daily calls for the “exposure” of Nancy Pelosi.  Anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: CalGeorge</title>
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		<dc:creator>CalGeorge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If torture techniques were described to me in a super-secret session, I hopefully would not be so naive as to believe they would &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; be used. You’d have to be a yokel with no knowledge of the CIA to think that they wouldn’t go forward with whatever they were describing (or else why would the techniques be mentioned?).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Gang of Four (or Eight) rolled over and played patriotic. That’s what Congress always does.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If torture techniques were described to me in a super-secret session, I hopefully would not be so naive as to believe they would <strong>not</strong> be used. You’d have to be a yokel with no knowledge of the CIA to think that they wouldn’t go forward with whatever they were describing (or else why would the techniques be mentioned?).</p>
<p>The Gang of Four (or Eight) rolled over and played patriotic. That’s what Congress always does.</p>
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