Comments on: The Torture Document Dump Timeline

By: Leen

Leen — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:58:54 +0000

What about memos or other classified info that has yet to be released. Are there other meetings that they are still unable to talk about?

If the Dems have nothing to worry about why would any of them stand in the way of a Special Prosecutor? What is up with Reid?

By: emptywheel

emptywheel — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:35:56 +0000

No, it doesn’t make sense. There’s abundant evidence to suggest that only Harman had a full briefing before KSM was waterboarded (Jello Jay did not attend the January 2003 briefing that Pat Roberts got). So there’s just not that much complicity on the Dem side.

By: emptywheel

emptywheel — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:34:17 +0000

Yes, you’re precisely right. As I said before, I think Bellinger was the WaPo source that said CIA didn’t tell the Principals Committee about the warnings against torture.

By: emptywheel

emptywheel — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:31:55 +0000

Oops, sorry.

By: emptywheel

emptywheel — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:30:43 +0000

I had already done that–attach names–here. The timeline is helpful, but remember that SSCI isn’t documenting the earlier conversations within the War Council.

By: Mary

Mary — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 14:27:28 +0000

45 - EW had her own thread on that up first here:

http://emptywheel.firedoglake......-document/

and she did the same “decoding” except that she fixed the July meeting refernence to Wainstein that was still in the Harper’s piece last I looked.

By: perris

perris — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:54:42 +0000

A query: Isn’t “unlawful enemy combatant” a term that Bush made up — the “unlawful” part, I mean?

does seem redundant doesn’t it, however once you declare war or the oponent declares war I don’t think anyone on the oposition can be considered “unlawful”

interesting all around

By: gaby

gaby — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:07:20 +0000

not quite the subject but cheneys fox interview ,the mike was was picking up alot of lung rasps, ask any md to listen to tape ,knowing his age and heart history it sounds really bad for cheney,i’ve heard this sound before ,my husdanb died at 49 with less heart conditions same sound.

By: skdadl

skdadl — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 10:38:16 +0000

Well done, acquarius — I left a comment on your diary. I was so pleased that you found the link to the whole show — I’d watched it before, but when I went looking for it the other day at YouTube, I just couldn’t find it, or remember Riz Khan’s name.

We’ve discovered a new genre on this thread: the few times I have been able to sit through David Rivkin because I knew there was someone smarter about to slice and dice everything he says. Points to “Matthew Alexander” and Sheldon Whitehouse so far. *wink*

A query: Isn’t “unlawful enemy combatant” a term that Bush made up — the “unlawful” part, I mean?

By: bobschacht

bobschacht — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 08:28:09 +0000

[Khalid Sheik} Mohammed continued to be a valued source of information long after the coercive interrogation ended. Indeed, he has gone on to lecture CIA agents in a classroom-like setting, on topics from Greek philosophy to the structure of al-Qaeda, and wrote essays in response to questions, according to sources familiar with his time in detention.

This sounds like BS, made up out of whole cloth. Someone is into serious self-justification. “Sources familiar with his time in detention,” and “former high-ranking officials.” Yeah, right. According to people who are probably guilty of war crimes. Trying to make it look like KSM survived it all in good mental health, and is now a college professor. No harm, no foul, right?

I would prefer an independent evaluation.

Bob in HI