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	<title>Comments on: Pelosi: Of Hidden Memos and Covert Ops Hidden in Supplementals</title>
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		<title>By: worldwidehappiness</title>
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		<dc:creator>worldwidehappiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pelosi obviously knew torture was happening.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We all knew, and it was her job to know.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She took impeachment off the table in 2006!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If she didn’t know then, she’s beyond stupid.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi obviously knew torture was happening.</p>
<p>We all knew, and it was her job to know.</p>
<p>She took impeachment off the table in 2006!</p>
<p>If she didn’t know then, she’s beyond stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 03:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That scenario presupposes the Bush people would limit the second briefing as per the request of the aides de camp. I can’t imagine the Bush people not snickering and telling Pelosi et al all the gory details to ensure whatever degree of complicity that ensures.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That scenario presupposes the Bush people would limit the second briefing as per the request of the aides de camp. I can’t imagine the Bush people not snickering and telling Pelosi et al all the gory details to ensure whatever degree of complicity that ensures.</p>
<p>Can you?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 00:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would be nice to know where Jessen is licensed as a psychologist, too…if ever…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reference to his name appeared like so:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John “Bruce” Jessen&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;in one article I’d run across, can’t remember which one, suggesting that his middle name is NOT Bruce. I wonder if this is an op name rather like the op names given to the three abusers, I mean, interrogators who “quizzed” KSM.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There have been comments suggesting CIA personnel started this and stepped aside, leaving interrogation to contractors, but my gut tells me that an ACCM was set up to pay contractors through DoD, the contract was extended through CIA to Mitchell Jessen, and once in the payables system as a vendor under CIA, DoD could pay via supplemental. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;– Uses the secret, internal to DoD approach Cheney used in Operation Scorpion;&lt;br /&gt;
– As an ACCM, no Congressional oversight, highly compartmentalized so nobody in CIA or DoD could get to it.&lt;br /&gt;
– Does NOT use CIA personnel, but leaves the dirty laundry with CIA;&lt;br /&gt;
– Is NOT military personnel, so no good doobie inside DoD could stop it;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s most of the key learnings from Iran Contra which Elliot Abrams shared right there:&lt;br /&gt;
– can’t trust our friends&lt;br /&gt;
– CIA has got to be totally out of it&lt;br /&gt;
– can’t trust the uniformed military&lt;br /&gt;
– got to be run out of the OVP&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney probably scripted the whole thing, but we won’t find fingerprints on this unless he gets arrogantly stupid and leaves us discoverable notes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only remaining question is who were “friends”, but they are probably glad to be well out of this so far.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would be nice to know where Jessen is licensed as a psychologist, too…if ever…</p>
<p>The reference to his name appeared like so:</p>
<p>John “Bruce” Jessen</p>
<p>in one article I’d run across, can’t remember which one, suggesting that his middle name is NOT Bruce. I wonder if this is an op name rather like the op names given to the three abusers, I mean, interrogators who “quizzed” KSM.</p>
<p>There have been comments suggesting CIA personnel started this and stepped aside, leaving interrogation to contractors, but my gut tells me that an ACCM was set up to pay contractors through DoD, the contract was extended through CIA to Mitchell Jessen, and once in the payables system as a vendor under CIA, DoD could pay via supplemental. </p>
<p>– Uses the secret, internal to DoD approach Cheney used in Operation Scorpion;<br />
– As an ACCM, no Congressional oversight, highly compartmentalized so nobody in CIA or DoD could get to it.<br />
– Does NOT use CIA personnel, but leaves the dirty laundry with CIA;<br />
– Is NOT military personnel, so no good doobie inside DoD could stop it;</p>
<p>That’s most of the key learnings from Iran Contra which Elliot Abrams shared right there:<br />
– can’t trust our friends<br />
– CIA has got to be totally out of it<br />
– can’t trust the uniformed military<br />
– got to be run out of the OVP</p>
<p>Cheney probably scripted the whole thing, but we won’t find fingerprints on this unless he gets arrogantly stupid and leaves us discoverable notes.</p>
<p>The only remaining question is who were “friends”, but they are probably glad to be well out of this so far.</p>
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		<title>By: kgb999</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgb999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi there! Fancy meeting you here. (hey …. no winky emoticon)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there! Fancy meeting you here. (hey …. no winky emoticon)</p>
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		<title>By: kgb999</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgb999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Joseph Dominic Matarazzo is no longer listed as a part of the company.  It looks like they changed the business licensing Aug. 19 2007 - less than a week after the article Rayne linked was published.  Department of revenue records still show a date of April 2005, which is also the period several articles indicate is on a business license.  It seems the association was broken in 2007 (or at least the records were updated to make it appear so).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Matarazzo’s area of study was in the impact of disease/fear of infection on the mental state(very rough description).  Intuitively, there seem to be ways his experience could be used in detainee exploitation … I can also see how his credentials could simply be used to lend credibility to the endeavor; his involvement is a question mark to me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph Dominic Matarazzo is no longer listed as a part of the company.  It looks like they changed the business licensing Aug. 19 2007 &#8211; less than a week after the article Rayne linked was published.  Department of revenue records still show a date of April 2005, which is also the period several articles indicate is on a business license.  It seems the association was broken in 2007 (or at least the records were updated to make it appear so).</p>
<p>Matarazzo’s area of study was in the impact of disease/fear of infection on the mental state(very rough description).  Intuitively, there seem to be ways his experience could be used in detainee exploitation … I can also see how his credentials could simply be used to lend credibility to the endeavor; his involvement is a question mark to me.</p>
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		<title>By: kgb999</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgb999</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Going by the congressional report (p.16) ….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On April 16, 2002, Dr. Bruce Jessen, the senior SERE psychologist at JPRA, circulated a draft exploitation plan to JPRA Commander Colonel Randy Mouhon and other senior officials at the agency.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I started from there.  And yeah, he appears to be going by John now.  That’s something I’m noticing about these documents … they keep shifting the words used to describe the same people/entities/things.  Anyhow, here are links to the business license/tax info on the company (UBI #602495307).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602495307&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.secstate.wa.gov/cor.....=602495307&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://dor.wa.gov/content/doingbusiness/registermybusiness/brd/Results.aspx?RequestType=1&amp;Criteria=Mitchell+Jessen&amp;City=#brdResults&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://dor.wa.gov/content/doin.....brdResults&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I keep wondering if it’s a CIA front or a Halliburton/Blackwater-style profit scheme (or both).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m near Spokane, the plan is to go poke around the clerk’s office and try to see that older license and if there are other records … next free weekday.  I’m really curious about records pre-2005.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going by the congressional report (p.16) ….</p>
<blockquote><p>On April 16, 2002, Dr. Bruce Jessen, the senior SERE psychologist at JPRA, circulated a draft exploitation plan to JPRA Commander Colonel Randy Mouhon and other senior officials at the agency.</p>
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<p>I started from there.  And yeah, he appears to be going by John now.  That’s something I’m noticing about these documents … they keep shifting the words used to describe the same people/entities/things.  Anyhow, here are links to the business license/tax info on the company (UBI #602495307).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/search_detail.aspx?ubi=602495307" rel="nofollow">http://www.secstate.wa.gov/cor&#8230;..=602495307</a></p>
<p><a href="http://dor.wa.gov/content/doingbusiness/registermybusiness/brd/Results.aspx?RequestType=1&amp;Criteria=Mitchell+Jessen&amp;City=#brdResults" rel="nofollow">http://dor.wa.gov/content/doin&#8230;..brdResults</a></p>
<p>I keep wondering if it’s a CIA front or a Halliburton/Blackwater-style profit scheme (or both).</p>
<p>I’m near Spokane, the plan is to go poke around the clerk’s office and try to see that older license and if there are other records … next free weekday.  I’m really curious about records pre-2005.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We know that BushCo briefed Toobz Stevens and Daniel Inouye on the warrantless wiretap program in December 2001.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you imagine the despair those of us in Hawaii feel at having Fool-for-Life Inouye as our Senator?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We know that BushCo briefed Toobz Stevens and Daniel Inouye on the warrantless wiretap program in December 2001.</p>
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<p>Can you imagine the despair those of us in Hawaii feel at having Fool-for-Life Inouye as our Senator?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;And finally, a point klynn and Sara have been making–the guys who did this torture were contractors, not CIA officers. Which means they only had to get Uncle Toobz and his buddy Inouye to approve a contract in an emergency supplemental. And voila! We’ve got state-sanctioned torture!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d add a finer touch to the picture, to round it out. First you have CIA or Special Operations interrogators, then they resign and become contractors who go to work for CIA and SMUs (Special Mission Units — special operations).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So the guys who did the torture &lt;strong&gt;were &lt;/strong&gt;CIA, Pentagon, etc., in the guise of contractors. The better to game the system, both re deniability and for the big bucks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And finally, a point klynn and Sara have been making–the guys who did this torture were contractors, not CIA officers. Which means they only had to get Uncle Toobz and his buddy Inouye to approve a contract in an emergency supplemental. And voila! We’ve got state-sanctioned torture!</p>
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<p>I’d add a finer touch to the picture, to round it out. First you have CIA or Special Operations interrogators, then they resign and become contractors who go to work for CIA and SMUs (Special Mission Units — special operations).</p>
<p>So the guys who did the torture <strong>were </strong>CIA, Pentagon, etc., in the guise of contractors. The better to game the system, both re deniability and for the big bucks!</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
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		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pelosi, for years now, has given the exact same account of what they were and were not told. Without us knowing why she stripped the powerful Harmon of her powerful chair.  Few other Dems, including the Lieberman puppet Harry Reid, have such cajones.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I’m strangely beginning to trust her -and wouldn’t doubt she has more concrete reasons for removing impeachment, temporarily.&lt;br /&gt;
And I would note the future importance and power of her independence - even from Obama, with the dead silence of hack Steny Hoyer combined with Rahm’s absence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi, for years now, has given the exact same account of what they were and were not told. Without us knowing why she stripped the powerful Harmon of her powerful chair.  Few other Dems, including the Lieberman puppet Harry Reid, have such cajones.</p>
<p> I’m strangely beginning to trust her -and wouldn’t doubt she has more concrete reasons for removing impeachment, temporarily.<br />
And I would note the future importance and power of her independence &#8211; even from Obama, with the dead silence of hack Steny Hoyer combined with Rahm’s absence.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, that report combined with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uruknet.info/?p=35298&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;followup report here&lt;/a&gt; certainly makes it look like Mitchell Jessen was a proto-typical CIA-type front company with a nominal amount of white washing in the form of minority ownership.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cripes, Matarazzo is 81-years-old. Not exactly the kind of minority owner one worries about for very long…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that report combined with the <a href="http://www.uruknet.info/?p=35298" rel="nofollow">followup report here</a> certainly makes it look like Mitchell Jessen was a proto-typical CIA-type front company with a nominal amount of white washing in the form of minority ownership.</p>
<p>Cripes, Matarazzo is 81-years-old. Not exactly the kind of minority owner one worries about for very long…</p>
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