Damn your good.

If Obama and Holder mean what they have repeatedly said “no one is above the law” Walk the talk because the peasants and the whole world are watching. The world has heard that argument that those who did the torturing were just “following orders”. This argument does not hold water in the peasants world.

How can any of these people wonder why there is such deep deep disrespect for our so called justice system. Obama will be unable to drag the nation forward if he does not hold especially the people who created the legal framework for this torture to take place.

He may need to get out on the streets more.. the peasants are aware of what is going on. They know the rules of law are not being applied in a just and honorable way

Mary @24

I thought Harman went all let’s get out the info about wiretapping after she was found to have “completed a crime”. wonder what the timeline is from the time she was caught in the legal wiretapping of Aipac officials? I thought she went all open on the wiretapping after this.

I think she was attempting to cover her ass…”multidimensional chess”

— JTA: Note the operative verbs: Lede: It was Goss who “concluded” that the tap required more action. He drew this conclusion not because Harman’s alleged involvement was raised with him,…”

“Concluded” after he may have been advised? There’s nothing in the NYTimes article that he ‘alone’ concluded Harman had completed a crime?

Who is to say the investigative team brought it to ‘his’ attention? — Here we really do need the timeline… when was the suspected Israel spy FISA warrant up for renewal — and when was Harman making deals on the tapes? Do the dates really coincide? It was an FBI case — according to Stein’s the investigative team on Harman wanted Mueller to sign off?

Stein: “…”A former intelligence official familiar with the matter told Foreign Policy on condition of anonymity Monday that Goss had been asked due to the unavailability of FBI director Robert Mueller to certify a FISA
warrant…”

Then we are told Goss found problems with the Harman tapes during a ‘periodic review’ stage — ok…

I just think it too movie-ish for Goss and Goss alone to go through mounds of transcripts and say ‘hey we’ve got her’ so what can we do with this information 4 years down the line when I’m out of office.

Not withstanding the fact that it appears an intelligence official[s] had to go behind Goss’s back to alert Pelosi — that Harman had been caught. They might have felt they had to do this because, maybe, their request for an appropriate surveillance warrant from Mueller &/or Goss were denied?

Also, what agency[s] decided that Harman had carried out a ‘completed crime’ — was that on Goss impetuous as well to confirm legal status?

I just think there are too many unanswered questions — to immediately jump to the conclusion that the hit on Harman was solely because of Goss’s hatred for Harman.

However, if Goss was going to sign off on a warrant — and that warrant was a FISA warrant [because they maybe wanted to classify her as a possible foreign agent’s asset?] — the details would have had to have gone to the FISA Court… Are we willing to go down the road that we think everyone on that court is now corrupt? Or, maybe some or most of them are legit, and would take justice seriously enough if the evidence was there, which is possibly why Cheney et. al wanted to cirumcuvent the FISA court altogether in the first place?

Just a thought…

A letter doesn’t really do it for me. Feinstein even found a conscience when she went against cluster bombs, but she provides a powerful boot when it comes to supporting the military and supporting acts like the MCA. Different players for different issues — but the result always seems to end up the same.

With Harman — I really don’t think she’s got the nerve or backbone to have caused any trouble. She would have so many Dem boots coming down on her neck from the Senate she wouldn’t have a chance to squeal… Personally, I don’t think the NSA, CIA etc needed to come down heavy on her… her ‘complicit’ colleagues in both Houses would have been more than willing to do that for them.

Would you believe a woman who lied and said “there was only one N.S.A. program”?
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c…..-appr.html

I’m finding surprisingly good cause to like and trust Nancy Pelosi more and more every day.
She appears to be the new backbone of our party. To have put an unlikley guy like Reyes in the Intelligence Chair rather than allow the seat to be subverted by the likes of a war-monger like Harmon, and, she willingly bucks Obama, is representative of just the leader we need.

Hoorah, Nancy!

I wonder if, more broadly, the whole body of Congress is being threatened that they have been recorded doing whatever dirty deed each has done.

Indeed, Josh Marshall threw ou a thoughtful comment regarding Blagojevich and Harman to the effect that he wonders whether virtually any politician could survive telephone surveillance. This thought makes the Harman-as Horse’s-Ass-Head-in-the-Bed theory mighty tempting, especially with the Stein piece timed to come out in the first news cycle after the release of the memos.

Obama decides to release the torture memos.Looks bad for cheney/bush. We know they live for spiteful vengeance.
Harman is implicated for playing along with AIPAC. She is a powerful democrat. Sends a message. How many played along …southern states ….KKK hates blacks and Jews and keeps a lot of “those politicians” in office.