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	<title>Comments on: Abu Zubaydah&#8217;s FBI Interrogator Removes the Legal Cornerstone of the Torture Regime</title>
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		<title>By: rkilowatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkilowatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 01:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EDIT- in re timbo @ 82&lt;br /&gt;
“…I wonder if GWB knows personally some of these “CIA contractors”; worked with them before…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In his youthful apprenticeship in the intel trade, so i’ve read online. Sorry no linky.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EDIT- in re timbo @ 82<br />
“…I wonder if GWB knows personally some of these “CIA contractors”; worked with them before…”</p>
<p>In his youthful apprenticeship in the intel trade, so i’ve read online. Sorry no linky.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, good link, contains link to the report provided to Cheney in 1992 about the improper training materials.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But it does not have a link to the Spanish-language training materials themselves. I did find them through the SOAWatch site and am now in the tediously grueling process of converting the PDF’s via OCR to DOC files, cleaning up the formatting and preparing for translation from Spanish.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What I can read in Spanish so far doesn’t rattle me, but it clearly doesn’t match the 1983 Human Exploitation manual or any other manual I’ve seen so far.  More to come, but it’s going to be slow going, taken me nearly 8 hours to get to 1/3 of two documents readable in Spanish. Hope the next two hundred pages go faster…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, good link, contains link to the report provided to Cheney in 1992 about the improper training materials.</p>
<p>But it does not have a link to the Spanish-language training materials themselves. I did find them through the SOAWatch site and am now in the tediously grueling process of converting the PDF’s via OCR to DOC files, cleaning up the formatting and preparing for translation from Spanish.</p>
<p>What I can read in Spanish so far doesn’t rattle me, but it clearly doesn’t match the 1983 Human Exploitation manual or any other manual I’ve seen so far.  More to come, but it’s going to be slow going, taken me nearly 8 hours to get to 1/3 of two documents readable in Spanish. Hope the next two hundred pages go faster…</p>
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		<title>By: rkilowatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>rkilowatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“…In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on &lt;strong&gt;more than a few &lt;/strong&gt;occasions — &lt;strong&gt;all&lt;/strong&gt; of which are still &lt;strong&gt;classified&lt;/strong&gt;.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Kinda implies there are &lt;strong&gt;records&lt;/strong&gt; “all of which are still classified” that give the lie to alleged value of torture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Conspire to deliberately withhold vital data? Rico?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“…In addition, I saw that using these alternative methods on other terrorists backfired on <strong>more than a few </strong>occasions — <strong>all</strong> of which are still <strong>classified</strong>.”</p>
<p>Kinda implies there are <strong>records</strong> “all of which are still classified” that give the lie to alleged value of torture.</p>
<p>Conspire to deliberately withhold vital data? Rico?</p>
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		<title>By: burqa</title>
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		<dc:creator>burqa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One aspect I haven’t seen discussed in the whole torture issue is the sense of entitlement the Bush administration felt it had over the thoughts of a human being.&lt;br /&gt;
They believed they had a right to anything and everything floating around inside someone’s skull and believed they could do anything, &lt;em&gt;anything,&lt;/em&gt; to pry it out - because those thoughts really belong to them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does anyone remember the statements made by Yoo about the president not having to obey the law on maiming?&lt;br /&gt;
That is one statute that describes the crimes in detail.&lt;br /&gt;
Yoo was saying if President Bush wanted to, he could literally order the gouging of someone’s eyes out or pour a caustic substance such as acid on them and not break the law.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s &lt;em&gt;some &lt;/em&gt; sense of entitlement, eh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One aspect I haven’t seen discussed in the whole torture issue is the sense of entitlement the Bush administration felt it had over the thoughts of a human being.<br />
They believed they had a right to anything and everything floating around inside someone’s skull and believed they could do anything, <em>anything,</em> to pry it out &#8211; because those thoughts really belong to them.</p>
<p>Does anyone remember the statements made by Yoo about the president not having to obey the law on maiming?<br />
That is one statute that describes the crimes in detail.<br />
Yoo was saying if President Bush wanted to, he could literally order the gouging of someone’s eyes out or pour a caustic substance such as acid on them and not break the law.</p>
<p>That’s <em>some </em> sense of entitlement, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: worldwidehappiness</title>
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		<dc:creator>worldwidehappiness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;NCDem @7 wrote:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Now the question for Rizzo would be to see the commumications between him, Addington, Gonzales, and Tenet. The communications are surely available. The real question is how do we access them. I have predicted all along that Addington will be the culprit and the mover and shaker in these conversations.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes. We are only getting the least shocking titbits.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Imagine if everything was exposed (except, of course, for truly sensitive security stuff).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCDem @7 wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Now the question for Rizzo would be to see the commumications between him, Addington, Gonzales, and Tenet. The communications are surely available. The real question is how do we access them. I have predicted all along that Addington will be the culprit and the mover and shaker in these conversations.</p>
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<p>Yes. We are only getting the least shocking titbits.</p>
<p>Imagine if everything was exposed (except, of course, for truly sensitive security stuff).</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Objection the First: People &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; been calling for those heads.  For years, in fact.  In what direction have you been looking?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Objection the Second: Investigations frequently begin with lower-level officials and then work upwards.  Or do you think all the important revelations have already come out?  Buy popcorn, watch, and wait.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Objection the First: People <em>have</em> been calling for those heads.  For years, in fact.  In what direction have you been looking?</p>
<p>Objection the Second: Investigations frequently begin with lower-level officials and then work upwards.  Or do you think all the important revelations have already come out?  Buy popcorn, watch, and wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Constitution 101 - no member of the legislature ahs the ability to “give the green light” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The legislative branch writes the laws&lt;br /&gt;
The judicial branch interprets the laws&lt;br /&gt;
The executive branch impelements and enforces the laws.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Constitution 101 &#8211; no member of the legislature ahs the ability to “give the green light” </p>
<p>The legislative branch writes the laws<br />
The judicial branch interprets the laws<br />
The executive branch impelements and enforces the laws.</p>
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		<title>By: cregan</title>
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		<dc:creator>cregan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The point stands,  there will be no prosecutions.  Pelosi, Hoekstra, Rockefeller, Shelby, Yoo, Bybee; not one will be prosecuted for approving or allowing the interrogations to go forward.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why the interest in 4 memo writers when there were many that approved it and allowed it to happen.  Those 4 only gave an opinion,  good or bad. They didn’t give the go ahead.  They didn’t have the power.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People are only going after them because they are weak, easy targets.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cheney, Pelosi, Rockefeller, Hoekstra, Tenet, Shelby, Graham–those people did have the power to give the green light, and they did.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When I see people calling for the heads of those 6,  then I will know they are serious.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point stands,  there will be no prosecutions.  Pelosi, Hoekstra, Rockefeller, Shelby, Yoo, Bybee; not one will be prosecuted for approving or allowing the interrogations to go forward.</p>
<p>Why the interest in 4 memo writers when there were many that approved it and allowed it to happen.  Those 4 only gave an opinion,  good or bad. They didn’t give the go ahead.  They didn’t have the power.</p>
<p>People are only going after them because they are weak, easy targets.</p>
<p>Cheney, Pelosi, Rockefeller, Hoekstra, Tenet, Shelby, Graham–those people did have the power to give the green light, and they did.</p>
<p>When I see people calling for the heads of those 6,  then I will know they are serious.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The whole fucking thing is illusory. Cobbled together out of air.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That just makes the “covered by the four corners of the OLC memos” wording of the pass that Obama articulated an even sharper weapon.  He’s bending over backwards to accept the pretext being offered, even though it’s now being shown to be utterly vacuous — and &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; the uncovered space for pursuing investigations leading to prosecutions is just plain vast.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The whole fucking thing is illusory. Cobbled together out of air.</p>
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<p>That just makes the “covered by the four corners of the OLC memos” wording of the pass that Obama articulated an even sharper weapon.  He’s bending over backwards to accept the pretext being offered, even though it’s now being shown to be utterly vacuous — and <em>still</em> the uncovered space for pursuing investigations leading to prosecutions is just plain vast.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And remember Bob Graham is Mr. Notes himself as I recall&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And remember Bob Graham is Mr. Notes himself as I recall</p>
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