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	<title>Comments on: Revisiting Jane Harman&#8217;s Over-Reaction to Partisan Pressure on FISA</title>
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		<title>By: drational</title>
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		<dc:creator>drational</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and 60.&lt;br /&gt;
Yeah I may have gotten the saban wrong.  could have been Saban’s assistant or someone who controlled Saban.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this point Harman is fighting mad demanding release of unredacted transcripts- I’d say the jury is out on whether she actually did anything wrong wrt to this quid pro quo.&lt;br /&gt;
I think she is being targeted to warn off other dems that they are on some tapes too, and thus could be victims of anonymous “former intelligence official” leaks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and 60.<br />
Yeah I may have gotten the saban wrong.  could have been Saban’s assistant or someone who controlled Saban.</p>
<p>At this point Harman is fighting mad demanding release of unredacted transcripts- I’d say the jury is out on whether she actually did anything wrong wrt to this quid pro quo.<br />
I think she is being targeted to warn off other dems that they are on some tapes too, and thus could be victims of anonymous “former intelligence official” leaks.</p>
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		<title>By: cregan</title>
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		<dc:creator>cregan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 19:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s about time someone nailed Harman.  She has been odd person out for some time and now we see the reason.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s about time someone nailed Harman.  She has been odd person out for some time and now we see the reason.</p>
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		<title>By: rjrnab</title>
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		<dc:creator>rjrnab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let’s face it, Paneta inherited a can of worms from Hayden as bad as Obombya received from W. (son of Jerry Ford CIA terrorist Herbert W. ) Cheney. Even Slick Willy signed off on wire tap executive power cottoning up to all that Bush good ol’ boy network 90’s spin. The American people will probably have to settle down and watch the next De Nero movie about the CIA to formulate how our government really works. Zeitgist MSNBC last 17, April - Morning Joe with that Vanity Fair Brit Chris Hutchins telling it like it is to Mika and Brainwashed Joe. Da, I mean if you can’t figure PP Hoekstra’s working that mis/dis info machine, and enabling the old Nixon era black-mail tactics machine. Eric Prince the new G G Liddy plumber.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s face it, Paneta inherited a can of worms from Hayden as bad as Obombya received from W. (son of Jerry Ford CIA terrorist Herbert W. ) Cheney. Even Slick Willy signed off on wire tap executive power cottoning up to all that Bush good ol’ boy network 90’s spin. The American people will probably have to settle down and watch the next De Nero movie about the CIA to formulate how our government really works. Zeitgist MSNBC last 17, April &#8211; Morning Joe with that Vanity Fair Brit Chris Hutchins telling it like it is to Mika and Brainwashed Joe. Da, I mean if you can’t figure PP Hoekstra’s working that mis/dis info machine, and enabling the old Nixon era black-mail tactics machine. Eric Prince the new G G Liddy plumber.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;releasing the memos is pretty small next to the waivers for responsiblity he has handed out and his Presidential proclamation that having people carry out the techniques in the memos is a policy, not a criminal, matter.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe.  If I were Dawn Johnsen, I’d be keenly aware that those waivers aren’t worth much if any prosecution got going, and that his proclamations are poltiical.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And releasing the memos isn’t really so small.  It turns up stuff, which leads to other stuff… as we see happening right around us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your cynicism about DoJ is surely justified (though I’m going to have to wash that metaphor out of my mind ;&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>releasing the memos is pretty small next to the waivers for responsiblity he has handed out and his Presidential proclamation that having people carry out the techniques in the memos is a policy, not a criminal, matter.</i></p>
<p>Maybe.  If I were Dawn Johnsen, I’d be keenly aware that those waivers aren’t worth much if any prosecution got going, and that his proclamations are poltiical.</p>
<p>And releasing the memos isn’t really so small.  It turns up stuff, which leads to other stuff… as we see happening right around us.</p>
<p>Your cynicism about DoJ is surely justified (though I’m going to have to wash that metaphor out of my mind ;&gt;).</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;What is the proper procedure that is supposed to be followed?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m no expert, but my take is:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1- When the improper suggestion is made, say: “Absolutely not. This conversation is over.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2 - Hang up the phone and call the FBI on another line.  Document and/or get a witness that you have done so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What is the proper procedure that is supposed to be followed?</i></p>
<p>I’m no expert, but my take is:</p>
<p>1- When the improper suggestion is made, say: “Absolutely not. This conversation is over.”</p>
<p>2 &#8211; Hang up the phone and call the FBI on another line.  Document and/or get a witness that you have done so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;64 - that could be, but it seems to me that releasing the memos is pretty small next to the waivers for responsiblity he has handed out and his Presidential proclamation that having people carry out the techniques in the memos is a policy, not a criminal, matter.  I guess if she still wants the job in that posture, that might make me agree with your take, but it wouldn’t make me less cynical about the overall situation.  Not that I expect anything from DOJ anymore.  You can’t graft onto rotted flesh. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;TPM is saying that Harman is calling for the release of the transcripts.  I think that makes the original point about how they were obtained that much more interesting.  With Harman’s background, she probably has a very good idea of what is supposed to happen with “inadvertently” obtained US persons conversations under most FISA warrants.  I’m guessing that it might be those transcripts shouldn’t exist any longer if she was not a target herself and if NSA/FBI followed minimization procedures or court orders.  So this may be some chicken at work.  If FBI still has them, maybe it is in violation (like that would be a shock) of court orders - if it doesn’t have them, no one can “prove” the info.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Her problem right now isn’t really how this will play criminally - it’s how it will play in her district.  Can she make it out that she’s a victim?  I don’t think so.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>64 &#8211; that could be, but it seems to me that releasing the memos is pretty small next to the waivers for responsiblity he has handed out and his Presidential proclamation that having people carry out the techniques in the memos is a policy, not a criminal, matter.  I guess if she still wants the job in that posture, that might make me agree with your take, but it wouldn’t make me less cynical about the overall situation.  Not that I expect anything from DOJ anymore.  You can’t graft onto rotted flesh. </p>
<p>TPM is saying that Harman is calling for the release of the transcripts.  I think that makes the original point about how they were obtained that much more interesting.  With Harman’s background, she probably has a very good idea of what is supposed to happen with “inadvertently” obtained US persons conversations under most FISA warrants.  I’m guessing that it might be those transcripts shouldn’t exist any longer if she was not a target herself and if NSA/FBI followed minimization procedures or court orders.  So this may be some chicken at work.  If FBI still has them, maybe it is in violation (like that would be a shock) of court orders &#8211; if it doesn’t have them, no one can “prove” the info.  </p>
<p>Her problem right now isn’t really how this will play criminally &#8211; it’s how it will play in her district.  Can she make it out that she’s a victim?  I don’t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bingo on the Iranians taken in Irbil.  The first Roxana Saberi story in the &lt;i&gt;WaPo&lt;/i&gt; weeks ago also ended with mention of them, and my immediate reaction was: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When did five become three?  Five men were kidnaped, and it’s possible that two were quietly released since, but that wasn’t true as of early 2008. Is anyone aware of any coverage of the prisoners?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It used to infuriate me when stories about Haleh Esfandariah and other Iranian-Americans held in prison or under house arrest in Iran would never so much as mention the Irbil prisoners.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bingo on the Iranians taken in Irbil.  The first Roxana Saberi story in the <i>WaPo</i> weeks ago also ended with mention of them, and my immediate reaction was: </p>
<p>When did five become three?  Five men were kidnaped, and it’s possible that two were quietly released since, but that wasn’t true as of early 2008. Is anyone aware of any coverage of the prisoners?  </p>
<p>It used to infuriate me when stories about Haleh Esfandariah and other Iranian-Americans held in prison or under house arrest in Iran would never so much as mention the Irbil prisoners.</p>
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		<title>By: Nell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;#54 - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My take is less cynical than Mary’s.  I’d actually wondered if Dawn Johnsen, during the week or two of public speculation and dueling leaks (&lt;i&gt;they’re going to release the OLC memos / they’re not going to / they’re going to release them but heavily redacted&lt;/i&gt;), hadn’t had a quiet word with her future boss Holder or even with Pres. Obama.  Something along the lines of, “If you don’t release the memos cleanly, I don’t want the job anymore.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s one thing to be left twisting in the wind waiting for confirmation. It’s another to do so while the principle for which you are a major spokesperson — no secret laws — is very publicly repudiated in practice by the organization you’re waiting to work for.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#54 &#8211; </p>
<p>My take is less cynical than Mary’s.  I’d actually wondered if Dawn Johnsen, during the week or two of public speculation and dueling leaks (<i>they’re going to release the OLC memos / they’re not going to / they’re going to release them but heavily redacted</i>), hadn’t had a quiet word with her future boss Holder or even with Pres. Obama.  Something along the lines of, “If you don’t release the memos cleanly, I don’t want the job anymore.”</p>
<p>It’s one thing to be left twisting in the wind waiting for confirmation. It’s another to do so while the principle for which you are a major spokesperson — no secret laws — is very publicly repudiated in practice by the organization you’re waiting to work for.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;57 ?  I don’t know and don’t know enough to speculate.  It’ll be interesting to see if a connection emerges.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>57 ?  I don’t know and don’t know enough to speculate.  It’ll be interesting to see if a connection emerges.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, if the AIPAC-Harman-Pelosi scenario had played out the way AIPAC wanted, they would have owned the chairwoman of the House Intelligence Committee.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That aint hardly “chump change”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, if the AIPAC-Harman-Pelosi scenario had played out the way AIPAC wanted, they would have owned the chairwoman of the House Intelligence Committee.  </p>
<p>That aint hardly “chump change”.</p>
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