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	<title>Comments on: Dan Quayle&#8217;s and John Snow&#8217;s Flunkies Putting Greed Ahead of America</title>
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		<title>By: spoonful</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/20/dan-quayles-and-john-snows-flunkies-putting-greed-ahead-of-america/#comment-149562</link>
		<dc:creator>spoonful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What do these clowns (former VP + Sec of Trezury) have to do with Chrysler Financial?  Article doesn’t say.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do these clowns (former VP + Sec of Trezury) have to do with Chrysler Financial?  Article doesn’t say.</p>
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		<title>By: SugarCookie</title>
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		<dc:creator>SugarCookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve always been wary of anything Cerberus is involved with, and when I first heard about their connection with Chrysler a few years ago I got a sick feeling.  Honestly, don’t you think they’re trying to tell us all something about their motives and ethics, with a wink and a nod, just by nature of the name of the company?  My impression is that it’s all about power, secrets, and intimidation - and they like it that way.  And there’s the friendly cross over with the Carlyle Group, which is full of very nasty characters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Plus, Cerberus is a creature from mythology, and aren’t all of the big wigs in this company supposed oh-so-devout believers of Christianity or Judaism?  What’s up with that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Forgive my rant, but I’m just sick of these guys!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve always been wary of anything Cerberus is involved with, and when I first heard about their connection with Chrysler a few years ago I got a sick feeling.  Honestly, don’t you think they’re trying to tell us all something about their motives and ethics, with a wink and a nod, just by nature of the name of the company?  My impression is that it’s all about power, secrets, and intimidation &#8211; and they like it that way.  And there’s the friendly cross over with the Carlyle Group, which is full of very nasty characters.</p>
<p>Plus, Cerberus is a creature from mythology, and aren’t all of the big wigs in this company supposed oh-so-devout believers of Christianity or Judaism?  What’s up with that?</p>
<p>Forgive my rant, but I’m just sick of these guys!</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that’s exactly right.  “Shareholder democracy” and “shareholder value” have been fraudulent slogans for years.  SEC disclosures are so enwrapped in palaver by language from SEC lawyers, compensation consultants, PR specialists and HR wizards that they cease having much value regarding executive comp. or much else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Despite the Depression era SEC laws, we’ve never transitioned well from shareholder/owners - the Rockefellers and Vanderbilts - to anonymous market shareholders.  Top executives took on the role of former owner/managers.  Many run the business for their exclusive benefit.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jack Welch’s excesses are a prime example.  He expected to be treated like Croesus during and after his “reign”, and was.  Only his nasty divorce revealed his royal treatment and his retinue claimed he was worth it. But then, that’s their role as royal fools.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need to revamp more rules than the ones for compensation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that’s exactly right.  “Shareholder democracy” and “shareholder value” have been fraudulent slogans for years.  SEC disclosures are so enwrapped in palaver by language from SEC lawyers, compensation consultants, PR specialists and HR wizards that they cease having much value regarding executive comp. or much else.</p>
<p>Despite the Depression era SEC laws, we’ve never transitioned well from shareholder/owners &#8211; the Rockefellers and Vanderbilts &#8211; to anonymous market shareholders.  Top executives took on the role of former owner/managers.  Many run the business for their exclusive benefit.  </p>
<p>Jack Welch’s excesses are a prime example.  He expected to be treated like Croesus during and after his “reign”, and was.  Only his nasty divorce revealed his royal treatment and his retinue claimed he was worth it. But then, that’s their role as royal fools.</p>
<p>We need to revamp more rules than the ones for compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This maybe a stupid question but is cerebus going to be the recipient of CDS payoffs in the event of a Chrysler failure? If it is and the union members are on the hook for unfunded liabilities of chrysler could they emerge from bankruptcy with ownership of chrysler?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This maybe a stupid question but is cerebus going to be the recipient of CDS payoffs in the event of a Chrysler failure? If it is and the union members are on the hook for unfunded liabilities of chrysler could they emerge from bankruptcy with ownership of chrysler?</p>
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		<title>By: Mithras61</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mithras61</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very much along the lines of what I was thinking, also. Their insistence that nothing but reneging on UAW contracts can save Chrysler makes me suspicious, especially in light of their refusal to divest their holdings. It looks to me like they are trying to force Chysler under.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very much along the lines of what I was thinking, also. Their insistence that nothing but reneging on UAW contracts can save Chrysler makes me suspicious, especially in light of their refusal to divest their holdings. It looks to me like they are trying to force Chysler under.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Only, the flunkies that John Snow and Dan Quayle have running Chrysler Financial are refusing to take government money to get that credit because–you guessed it–they don’t want executive pay limits. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This should tell you that the real and primary function of these companies is to pay their executives enormous salaries.  Making car loans to chumps is for chumps.  This is why too all of Giethner’s attempts to satisfy these executives will not fix financial markets or the economy.  These guys could care less about either.  They would just as soon see both go to hell as long as they get those big salaries.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Only, the flunkies that John Snow and Dan Quayle have running Chrysler Financial are refusing to take government money to get that credit because–you guessed it–they don’t want executive pay limits. </p>
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<p>This should tell you that the real and primary function of these companies is to pay their executives enormous salaries.  Making car loans to chumps is for chumps.  This is why too all of Giethner’s attempts to satisfy these executives will not fix financial markets or the economy.  These guys could care less about either.  They would just as soon see both go to hell as long as they get those big salaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are brave and true and strong and brilliant, Marcy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for all your work.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are brave and true and strong and brilliant, Marcy.</p>
<p>Thanks for all your work.</p>
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		<title>By: wavpeac</title>
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		<dc:creator>wavpeac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cerberus continues it’s illegal behavior in the financing arena. They continue to be fearless. Accepting that bail out money might have caused more trouble than just limiting executive pay.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cerberus continues it’s illegal behavior in the financing arena. They continue to be fearless. Accepting that bail out money might have caused more trouble than just limiting executive pay.</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;About the post topic, (btw - congrats EW) I heard Barney Frank state with confidence last night on Charlie Rose, that we would see Chrysler have success in forming their partnership with Fiat and we would see GM have success in restructuring their debt without bankruptcy. I stood up and yelled at the TV, “Hey Barney, are you going to let us in on the specifics of your knowledge?” Charlie Rose, of course, did not ask any follow-up questions on this. So I sat there and figured out, the government is going to give more money and make it happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, in one sense, the Chase boycott is working. The headline this &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090421/bs_nm/us_autos_bailout;_ylt=ArcpX.7GnPv9G9ZCckUkdiSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJoMmwzYWI1BGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkwNDIxL3VzX2F1dG9zX2JhaWxvdXQEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3VzdG9naXZlY2hyeQ--&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AM&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;US To Give Chrysler, GM New Aid&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Obama administration will make about $500 million available to Chrysler LLC through the end of this month as it seeks to reach an alliance with Fiat, and up to $5 billion through May to help General Motors Corp restructure outside of bankruptcy, an independent oversight report on the Treasury Department’s corporate rescue fund said on Tuesday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Separately, the United Auto Workers (UAW) union urged its members to lobby the White House by phone or email to ensure that workers and retirees are treated fairly in negotiations at both companies on new concessions, which are considered vital for the automakers’ to survive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It appears we have a fight going on between the government and the banksters irt the auto industry. The government is trying to protect the economic spiral and Cerberus is working hard to create it due to their CDS’s.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the post topic, (btw &#8211; congrats EW) I heard Barney Frank state with confidence last night on Charlie Rose, that we would see Chrysler have success in forming their partnership with Fiat and we would see GM have success in restructuring their debt without bankruptcy. I stood up and yelled at the TV, “Hey Barney, are you going to let us in on the specifics of your knowledge?” Charlie Rose, of course, did not ask any follow-up questions on this. So I sat there and figured out, the government is going to give more money and make it happen.</p>
<p>So, in one sense, the Chase boycott is working. The headline this <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090421/bs_nm/us_autos_bailout;_ylt=ArcpX.7GnPv9G9ZCckUkdiSs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJoMmwzYWI1BGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMDkwNDIxL3VzX2F1dG9zX2JhaWxvdXQEY3BvcwMxBHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3VzdG9naXZlY2hyeQ--" rel="nofollow">AM</a>:</p>
<p>US To Give Chrysler, GM New Aid</p>
<blockquote><p>WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The Obama administration will make about $500 million available to Chrysler LLC through the end of this month as it seeks to reach an alliance with Fiat, and up to $5 billion through May to help General Motors Corp restructure outside of bankruptcy, an independent oversight report on the Treasury Department’s corporate rescue fund said on Tuesday.</p>
<p>Separately, the United Auto Workers (UAW) union urged its members to lobby the White House by phone or email to ensure that workers and retirees are treated fairly in negotiations at both companies on new concessions, which are considered vital for the automakers’ to survive.</p>
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<p>It appears we have a fight going on between the government and the banksters irt the auto industry. The government is trying to protect the economic spiral and Cerberus is working hard to create it due to their CDS’s.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for that link, Bob. People can also back up a couple of segments from the interview with Whitehouse to Rachel’s grand acknowledgement of EW and the shot of the post itself — yay! — plus the interview with Isikoff. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I barely have a mind at all, but I’ve been thinking since Thursday that the president can’t be the arbiter of these things, that Holder has to make judgements about investigation and prosecution on the basis of law and the constitution, not policy. The memories of Gonzales fumbling through so many sessions at the SJC on just these grounds are still fresh, and now more and more evidence is coming out that challenges even the “good faith” excuses for torture. If the pressure keeps building, Holder has to act independently, it seems to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Great weekend, EW, and a great show last night, Rachel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link, Bob. People can also back up a couple of segments from the interview with Whitehouse to Rachel’s grand acknowledgement of EW and the shot of the post itself — yay! — plus the interview with Isikoff. </p>
<p>I barely have a mind at all, but I’ve been thinking since Thursday that the president can’t be the arbiter of these things, that Holder has to make judgements about investigation and prosecution on the basis of law and the constitution, not policy. The memories of Gonzales fumbling through so many sessions at the SJC on just these grounds are still fresh, and now more and more evidence is coming out that challenges even the “good faith” excuses for torture. If the pressure keeps building, Holder has to act independently, it seems to me.</p>
<p>Great weekend, EW, and a great show last night, Rachel.</p>
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