Comments on: It’s Not the Water-Boarding, It’s the Blows to the Head http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: 4jkb4ia http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-148029 4jkb4ia Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:00:43 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-148029 <p>I doubt that even Paul Rosenberg is going to support Durban II. Most of the anti-Israel stuff has been taken out of the conference document but “defamation of religion” is still an issue.</p> I doubt that even Paul Rosenberg is going to support Durban II. Most of the anti-Israel stuff has been taken out of the conference document but “defamation of religion” is still an issue.

]]> By: Nell http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147692 Nell Thu, 16 Apr 2009 07:54:38 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147692 <p>Riiiiiiight. </p> <p>I suppose he never went to or was briefed on any of the Principals’ meetings, even though he’s the one who would have attended for State on Powell’s absence.</p> Riiiiiiight.

I suppose he never went to or was briefed on any of the Principals’ meetings, even though he’s the one who would have attended for State on Powell’s absence.

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147670 fatster Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:28:44 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147670 <p>Armitage says if he had known about the torture he would have resigned from State:</p> <p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Richard_Armitage_If_I_had_known_0415.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2008/....._0415.html</a></p> <p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/dfbw59" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/dfbw59</a></p> Armitage says if he had known about the torture he would have resigned from State:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._0415.html

http://tinyurl.com/dfbw59

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147663 Leen Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:10:08 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147663 <p>On Olbermann tonight he insinuated that Obama/Holder’s unwillingness to pursue the torture issue is because the CIA thugs involved with the torture who are still in their spots have given the Obama administration a warning. Leave us alone or else.</p> On Olbermann tonight he insinuated that Obama/Holder’s unwillingness to pursue the torture issue is because the CIA thugs involved with the torture who are still in their spots have given the Obama administration a warning. Leave us alone or else.

]]> By: pmorlan http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147628 pmorlan Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:25:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147628 <p>Great post, emptywheel. I posted about the former Bush officials pathetic arguments to <a href="http://wwwdemocracity.blogspot.com/2009/04/mr-president-dont-let-bush-holdovers.html" rel="nofollow">suppress these memos</a>. I sure hope Obama does the right thing, but I doubt it.</p> Great post, emptywheel. I posted about the former Bush officials pathetic arguments to suppress these memos. I sure hope Obama does the right thing, but I doubt it.

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147624 Leen Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:03:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147624 <p>Anatomy of Bush’s Torture ‘Paradigm’</p> <p>By Ray McGovern</p> <p><a href="http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22422.htm" rel="nofollow">http://informationclearinghous.....e22422.htm</a></p> <p>The first hints of what was in store came from the President himself in the White House bunker late on Sept. 11, 2001, at a meeting with his closest national security advisers after his TV address to the nation about the terrorist attacks that morning.</p> <p>Similar thoughts expressed by Chris Matthews last night during the wrestling match on Hardball </p> <p> Spain clip<br /><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#30215925" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#30215925</a></p> <p>David Corn to Gaffney “Frank we’re you against the Nuremberg Trials”</p> <p>You go David</p> <p>Matthews blew a fuse ya hoo</p> <p>Chris Matthews ” my view, well my view is o.k. let me tell you my view of this Frank buddy I’ll tell you my view of this. We crossed that line in that West Point speech by President Bush George W. Bush up there in 2002 when he said we are going to go into other countries and kick ass because they do not have democracies in those countries that’s when he said we’re going to go kill<br /> people internationally because we do not like their form of government that’s when we crossed the line Frank”</p> <p>The vengeful bunker mentality prevailing at that meeting comes through clearly in the report of one of the participants, Richard Clarke in his book, Against All Enemies. Describing the President as confident, determined, forceful, Clarke provides the following account of what President Bush said:</p> <p>“We are at war.… Nothing else matters. … Any barriers in your way, they’re gone.”</p> <p>When, later in the discussion, Secretary Rumsfeld noted that international law allowed the use of force only to prevent future attacks and not for retribution, Bush nearly bit his head off.</p> <p>“No,” the President yelled in the narrow conference room, “I don’t care what the international lawyers say, we are going to kick some ass.”</p> <p>‘Taking the Gloves Off’</p> Anatomy of Bush’s Torture ‘Paradigm’

By Ray McGovern

http://informationclearinghous…..e22422.htm

The first hints of what was in store came from the President himself in the White House bunker late on Sept. 11, 2001, at a meeting with his closest national security advisers after his TV address to the nation about the terrorist attacks that morning.

Similar thoughts expressed by Chris Matthews last night during the wrestling match on Hardball

Spain clip
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#30215925

David Corn to Gaffney “Frank we’re you against the Nuremberg Trials”

You go David

Matthews blew a fuse ya hoo

Chris Matthews ” my view, well my view is o.k. let me tell you my view of this Frank buddy I’ll tell you my view of this. We crossed that line in that West Point speech by President Bush George W. Bush up there in 2002 when he said we are going to go into other countries and kick ass because they do not have democracies in those countries that’s when he said we’re going to go kill
people internationally because we do not like their form of government that’s when we crossed the line Frank”

The vengeful bunker mentality prevailing at that meeting comes through clearly in the report of one of the participants, Richard Clarke in his book, Against All Enemies. Describing the President as confident, determined, forceful, Clarke provides the following account of what President Bush said:

“We are at war.… Nothing else matters. … Any barriers in your way, they’re gone.”

When, later in the discussion, Secretary Rumsfeld noted that international law allowed the use of force only to prevent future attacks and not for retribution, Bush nearly bit his head off.

“No,” the President yelled in the narrow conference room, “I don’t care what the international lawyers say, we are going to kick some ass.”

‘Taking the Gloves Off’

]]> By: fatster http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147623 fatster Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:02:43 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147623 <p>Ooooh, a shiny new face to add to the BFEE panorama.</p> Ooooh, a shiny new face to add to the BFEE panorama.

]]> By: hazmaq http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147620 hazmaq Wed, 15 Apr 2009 20:12:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147620 <p>Perhaps internally we too are just a beacon of shitfire, after all. </p> <p>Which means that what everyone always said about us is.. is ..true? Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh :[</p> Perhaps internally we too are just a beacon of shitfire, after all.

Which means that what everyone always said about us is.. is ..true? Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhh :[

]]> By: BlueCrow http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147615 BlueCrow Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:09:18 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147615 <p>Just fucking monsters trying to protect the fucking monsters. Why can we not elect someone who is not a fucking monster?</p> Just fucking monsters trying to protect the fucking monsters. Why can we not elect someone who is not a fucking monster?

]]> By: bgrothus http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147614 bgrothus Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:33:14 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/14/its-not-the-water-boarding-its-the-blows-to-the-head/#comment-147614 <p>This reminds me of famous cat wisdom: “If I close my eyes, I disappear. You can’t see me. With my eyes closed.”</p> This reminds me of famous cat wisdom: “If I close my eyes, I disappear. You can’t see me. With my eyes closed.”

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