Comments on: What Does Dusty Foggo Know about the Torture Tapes? http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Palli http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145996 Palli Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:59:44 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145996 <p>Is there any hope that investigations of tax havens will reveal this wide scale corruption, placing names and numbers together?<br /> At the top Cheney might require only satisfaction for a job well but below, the dedication to fascism was probably less substantial…and $ seems to work. Everybody can’t work at AIG.<br /> But we shouldn’t forget the opportunity to review torture tapes for jollies… that was a nice perk. (I wouldn’t be surprised if some copies will someday turn up in some gentleman’s exclusive porn collection.)</p> <p>@ 30 Heart attacks are easy in prisons; small planes are getting obvious anyway.</p> Is there any hope that investigations of tax havens will reveal this wide scale corruption, placing names and numbers together?
At the top Cheney might require only satisfaction for a job well but below, the dedication to fascism was probably less substantial…and $ seems to work. Everybody can’t work at AIG.
But we shouldn’t forget the opportunity to review torture tapes for jollies… that was a nice perk. (I wouldn’t be surprised if some copies will someday turn up in some gentleman’s exclusive porn collection.)

@ 30 Heart attacks are easy in prisons; small planes are getting obvious anyway.

]]> By: pmorlan http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145975 pmorlan Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:11:23 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145975 <p>oooohhh…this sounds like it might be juicy. </p> <p>Paybacks are hell, boys!</p> oooohhh…this sounds like it might be juicy.

Paybacks are hell, boys!

]]> By: orionATL http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145961 orionATL Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:34:07 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145961 <p>destruction of tapes is the special interest of the federal prosecutor with whom foggo has a date</p> <p>as far as WHY foggo was appointed -</p> <p>isn’t it a central theme in the cheney-bush presidency to appoint someone to a major federal agency job whom a well-intentioned president would never appoint (doug feith?).</p> <p>because? because why?</p> <p>because you have a person you can control.</p> <p>were i a federal prosecutor, i would look carefully at the behavior in office, conjointly, of a set of officials appointed by the cheney-bush administration.</p> <p>- paul bremmer (looting thru contracts)</p> <p>- femas’s heck-of-a-good-job brown (looting thru contracts?)</p> <p>- dusty foggo (looting thru contracts).</p> <p>feel free to add to the list.</p> <p>maybe interior dept top officials?</p> <p>dod top officials?</p> <p>next question:</p> <p>were there kickbacks to cheney or bush for the looting?</p> <p>or was it just a matter of their friends being permitted to keep the loot in order to retain and enhance power cheney-bush power.</p> destruction of tapes is the special interest of the federal prosecutor with whom foggo has a date

as far as WHY foggo was appointed -

isn’t it a central theme in the cheney-bush presidency to appoint someone to a major federal agency job whom a well-intentioned president would never appoint (doug feith?).

because? because why?

because you have a person you can control.

were i a federal prosecutor, i would look carefully at the behavior in office, conjointly, of a set of officials appointed by the cheney-bush administration.

- paul bremmer (looting thru contracts)

- femas’s heck-of-a-good-job brown (looting thru contracts?)

- dusty foggo (looting thru contracts).

feel free to add to the list.

maybe interior dept top officials?

dod top officials?

next question:

were there kickbacks to cheney or bush for the looting?

or was it just a matter of their friends being permitted to keep the loot in order to retain and enhance power cheney-bush power.

]]> By: MadDog http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145956 MadDog Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:25:36 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145956 <p>Good point, and likely one of the reasons that Congress was legislating that <i>“only”</i> official US employees be allowed to conduct interrogations in the future.</p> Good point, and likely one of the reasons that Congress was legislating that “only” official US employees be allowed to conduct interrogations in the future.

]]> By: antibanana http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145945 antibanana Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:54:57 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145945 <p>EW-</p> <p>How much of most egregious torture was performed by contractors rather than US Govt. employees? Perhaps that’s why Durham is interested in talking to Foggo.</p> <p>It would be interesting to know who the contractors were, and what else they worked on.</p> EW-

How much of most egregious torture was performed by contractors rather than US Govt. employees? Perhaps that’s why Durham is interested in talking to Foggo.

It would be interesting to know who the contractors were, and what else they worked on.

]]> By: robspierre http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145938 robspierre Thu, 02 Apr 2009 23:31:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145938 <p>You are making the mistake of assuming that the purpose of Bush-era spying was something to do with the needs of the country. It was anything but. It was aimed at maintaining the state of fear–or reign of terror, if you will–that moved us several steps closer to the unary executive (i.e. dictator/monarch).</p> <p>In fact, I expect that future historians will be very interested in the extent to which Reagan- and Bush-era pols colluded with foreign princelings in the desert against American interests–for cash. We already know that a lot of secret warring was carried on with Saudi money when Congress wouldn’t pony up. </p> <p>Dare we call it treason? Apparently not.</p> You are making the mistake of assuming that the purpose of Bush-era spying was something to do with the needs of the country. It was anything but. It was aimed at maintaining the state of fear–or reign of terror, if you will–that moved us several steps closer to the unary executive (i.e. dictator/monarch).

In fact, I expect that future historians will be very interested in the extent to which Reagan- and Bush-era pols colluded with foreign princelings in the desert against American interests–for cash. We already know that a lot of secret warring was carried on with Saudi money when Congress wouldn’t pony up.

Dare we call it treason? Apparently not.

]]> By: pdaly http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145925 pdaly Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:57:32 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145925 <p>Slightly OT: Was reviewing EW’s torture tape timeline.<br /> Looks like 2003 should be 2005 in excerpt below, unless I’m misunderstanding something:</p> <p>May 30, 2005: DOJ produces another memo superseding the two May 10 ones.</p> <p>?=> Summer 2003: Negroponte writes a memo to Porter Goss strongly advising him not to destroy the torture tapes.</p> <p>?=> June 2003: Senior CIA Officer tells SSCI the CIA does not engage in cruel or inhuman treatment. </p> <p>July 2, 2005: Public Affairs Guidance for High Value Individual Capture permits photographing high value detainees (within guidelines).</p> Slightly OT: Was reviewing EW’s torture tape timeline.
Looks like 2003 should be 2005 in excerpt below, unless I’m misunderstanding something:

May 30, 2005: DOJ produces another memo superseding the two May 10 ones.

?=> Summer 2003: Negroponte writes a memo to Porter Goss strongly advising him not to destroy the torture tapes.

?=> June 2003: Senior CIA Officer tells SSCI the CIA does not engage in cruel or inhuman treatment.

July 2, 2005: Public Affairs Guidance for High Value Individual Capture permits photographing high value detainees (within guidelines).

]]> By: JohnLopresti http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145909 JohnLopresti Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:38:00 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145909 <p>compos <a href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=hsnews-000002915756" rel="nofollow">mentis</a>; I doubt State will agree to let VZ <a href="http://www.eluniversal.com/2009/04/01/pol_ava_gobierno-aseguro-que_01A2278883.shtml" rel="nofollow">harbor</a> the harborless.</p> compos mentis; I doubt State will agree to let VZ harbor the harborless.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145891 bmaz Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:12:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145891 <p>If Moussaui had gone to trial, he would be a lot better off here.</p> If Moussaui had gone to trial, he would be a lot better off here.

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145889 Mary Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:09:56 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/02/what-does-dusty-foggo-know-about-the-torture-tapes/#comment-145889 <p>40 - that’s said like a crim def lawyer *g* If you wanted to give these guys (the DOJ lawyers and cia laywers and info destroyers) the barest fig leaf, though, they might argue that they thought that Zubaydah and al Nashiri were not going to trial - at most, they were going to a Philbin memo/Bush order authorized commission that was going to have *special* rules where they weren’t entitled to access to evidence. </p> <p>But I don’t think once the War Crimes Act was mentioned that fig leaf can still be clutched. Once you were mentioning possible prosecution against the presidential torturers and president, then there should have been preservation notices.</p> 40 – that’s said like a crim def lawyer *g* If you wanted to give these guys (the DOJ lawyers and cia laywers and info destroyers) the barest fig leaf, though, they might argue that they thought that Zubaydah and al Nashiri were not going to trial – at most, they were going to a Philbin memo/Bush order authorized commission that was going to have *special* rules where they weren’t entitled to access to evidence.

But I don’t think once the War Crimes Act was mentioned that fig leaf can still be clutched. Once you were mentioning possible prosecution against the presidential torturers and president, then there should have been preservation notices.

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