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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/13/the-ip-treaty-is-secret-too/#comment-141435</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Q.E.D.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Q.E.D.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/13/the-ip-treaty-is-secret-too/#comment-141434</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 18:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Baucus &lt;a href=&quot;http://finance.senate.gov/press/Bpress/2009press/prb031209.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;yesterday&lt;/a&gt; posted an announcement Ron Kirk’s nomination to USTR passed in Finance committee.  The IP issues are complexified in the global economic vortex at present, Au &gt;1.K U$D, PRC export strain as US imports less, plus the nicely characterized @41 [SoAsia]+3rdWorld issues with respect to digital copyright.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CQ coverage on Kirk’s progress seemed to indicate a week ago it would happen, but what I see is sameOld Republican delay tactics to slow the process of transition to the newly elected government now four months since the election.  At most recent glance, Specter was &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/legal_beat/2009/03/kagan-nomination-idles-as-spec.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;soul&lt;/a&gt;[1] searching regarding the solicitor general nominee.  There are three others the Republicans are delaying, as well, some discussed in recent threads hereabouts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems Kirk awarded speech honoraria to Austin College, instead of accepting them into his own income, but the certified public accountant entered the data on the wrong line in the tax forms, only amending the filing later, and Kyl was only moderately &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000003064144&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;grump&lt;/a&gt;y about that technicality, now that it is settled.  The Baucus announcement has a technically broken link in one footnote, however.[2]&lt;br /&gt;
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[1]One of the things in Specter’s reverie is concern the nominee might approach capital punishment in a way different than is commonplace in TX, e.g.  Though I need to check the committee website to see if the transcript is available yet.&lt;br /&gt;
[2]The Baucus press announcement Acrobat livelink evokes a Senate404, not the actual interrogatories.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baucus <a href="http://finance.senate.gov/press/Bpress/2009press/prb031209.pdf" rel="nofollow">yesterday</a> posted an announcement Ron Kirk’s nomination to USTR passed in Finance committee.  The IP issues are complexified in the global economic vortex at present, Au &gt;1.K U$D, PRC export strain as US imports less, plus the nicely characterized @41 [SoAsia]+3rdWorld issues with respect to digital copyright.</p>
<p>CQ coverage on Kirk’s progress seemed to indicate a week ago it would happen, but what I see is sameOld Republican delay tactics to slow the process of transition to the newly elected government now four months since the election.  At most recent glance, Specter was <a href="http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/legal_beat/2009/03/kagan-nomination-idles-as-spec.html" rel="nofollow">soul</a>[1] searching regarding the solicitor general nominee.  There are three others the Republicans are delaying, as well, some discussed in recent threads hereabouts.</p>
<p>It seems Kirk awarded speech honoraria to Austin College, instead of accepting them into his own income, but the certified public accountant entered the data on the wrong line in the tax forms, only amending the filing later, and Kyl was only moderately <a href="http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docid=news-000003064144" rel="nofollow">grump</a>y about that technicality, now that it is settled.  The Baucus announcement has a technically broken link in one footnote, however.[2]<br />
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[1]One of the things in Specter’s reverie is concern the nominee might approach capital punishment in a way different than is commonplace in TX, e.g.  Though I need to check the committee website to see if the transcript is available yet.<br />
[2]The Baucus press announcement Acrobat livelink evokes a Senate404, not the actual interrogatories.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/13/the-ip-treaty-is-secret-too/#comment-141424</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The idea of a secret treaty is as abhorrent as a secret law. If there is some international rule about my behavior, it would kind of make sense to tell me about the rule, so that I can mend my ways and become a good, treaty-abiding person.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The secrecy implies that there is another overriding purpose in play.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of a secret treaty is as abhorrent as a secret law. If there is some international rule about my behavior, it would kind of make sense to tell me about the rule, so that I can mend my ways and become a good, treaty-abiding person.</p>
<p>The secrecy implies that there is another overriding purpose in play.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 16:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT from Raw Story:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In a brief filed Thursday evening, Obama Justice Department lawyers extended many of the same arguments made by Bush attorneys – that top government officials have qualified immunity from prosecution and that Guantanamo detainees do not have constitutional rights to due process.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT from Raw Story:</p>
<blockquote><p>In a brief filed Thursday evening, Obama Justice Department lawyers extended many of the same arguments made by Bush attorneys – that top government officials have qualified immunity from prosecution and that Guantanamo detainees do not have constitutional rights to due process.
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s my assumption.&lt;br /&gt;
I think it’s also extremely relevant to banking encryption technologies, although FWIW it’s not at all clear to me how the US controls much of anything in the software realm these days.  After watching several excellent software groups (West Coast) be outsourced to India and thereabouts, I tend to think we’re caught in some kind of weird convergence where nation states make laws that don’t necessarily function in an era of globalized multinationals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, I worked for a fine little software company that hit the skids due to rampant piracy from the Far East, so I see this topic from a number of perspectives (including lost revenue, which thoroughly pisses me off).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not  convinced the right hand lives in the same universe as the left hand on some of the IP and trade issues.  Plus, its an arena that — from what little I’ve seen — is really a big can of worms because if you don’t have a superb translator who takes a lot of time to clarify that ‘a’ means ‘a’ to people Z, Y, and X, you are in for tons of expensive wasted time, billable by the minute.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My personal avenue to sanity is the Open Source movement, and Lawrence Lessig has more credibility with me than anyone on topics related to IP.   Open Source simplifies a whole host of issues.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I realize that Open Source doesn’t apply to all technologies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fundamentally, I think Rayne’s point really needs to be underscored: in a shrinking world, ’social capital’ becomes ever more valuable.  People who might not steal from someone they believe treats them fairly will probably have no  qualms about stealing from someone they view as ‘a torturer’ or ‘a warmonger’.  So the issues of social capital and IP are related.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s my assumption.<br />
I think it’s also extremely relevant to banking encryption technologies, although FWIW it’s not at all clear to me how the US controls much of anything in the software realm these days.  After watching several excellent software groups (West Coast) be outsourced to India and thereabouts, I tend to think we’re caught in some kind of weird convergence where nation states make laws that don’t necessarily function in an era of globalized multinationals.</p>
<p>Also, I worked for a fine little software company that hit the skids due to rampant piracy from the Far East, so I see this topic from a number of perspectives (including lost revenue, which thoroughly pisses me off).</p>
<p>I’m not  convinced the right hand lives in the same universe as the left hand on some of the IP and trade issues.  Plus, its an arena that — from what little I’ve seen — is really a big can of worms because if you don’t have a superb translator who takes a lot of time to clarify that ‘a’ means ‘a’ to people Z, Y, and X, you are in for tons of expensive wasted time, billable by the minute.</p>
<p>My personal avenue to sanity is the Open Source movement, and Lawrence Lessig has more credibility with me than anyone on topics related to IP.   Open Source simplifies a whole host of issues.</p>
<p>But I realize that Open Source doesn’t apply to all technologies.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, I think Rayne’s point really needs to be underscored: in a shrinking world, ’social capital’ becomes ever more valuable.  People who might not steal from someone they believe treats them fairly will probably have no  qualms about stealing from someone they view as ‘a torturer’ or ‘a warmonger’.  So the issues of social capital and IP are related.</p>
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		<title>By: GregOPauls</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregOPauls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did one ever think that the allegation may have never occurred in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;
Just wondering?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did one ever think that the allegation may have never occurred in the first place.<br />
Just wondering?</p>
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		<title>By: BoxTurtle</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/03/13/the-ip-treaty-is-secret-too/#comment-141414</link>
		<dc:creator>BoxTurtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We may have to depend on the European courts to clean up our mess. Our congress has already investigated (kept most of their results secret) and has assured us that no impeachable offenses worth considering occurred in the run up to the war. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Boxturtle (Wonders if Cheney will have the guts to travel outside the US without a diplomatic passport)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may have to depend on the European courts to clean up our mess. Our congress has already investigated (kept most of their results secret) and has assured us that no impeachable offenses worth considering occurred in the run up to the war. </p>
<p>Boxturtle (Wonders if Cheney will have the guts to travel outside the US without a diplomatic passport)</p>
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		<title>By: whitewidow</title>
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		<dc:creator>whitewidow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;At least the Brits are making some noise about investigating and prosecuting.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The circle of guilt on this is so large - so many forces working to keep the secrets.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least the Brits are making some noise about investigating and prosecuting.</p>
<p>The circle of guilt on this is so large &#8211; so many forces working to keep the secrets.</p>
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		<title>By: GregOPauls</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregOPauls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I will pray for you also.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will pray for you also.</p>
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		<title>By: fatster</title>
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		<dc:creator>fatster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;O/T, and some more ugliness.  Even members of Cabinet offices in the UK were incredulous about Iraq’s WMD.  I’m sure the wounded and the families of the dead take comfort in this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/13/iraq-documents-cabinet-office&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli.....net-office&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O/T, and some more ugliness.  Even members of Cabinet offices in the UK were incredulous about Iraq’s WMD.  I’m sure the wounded and the families of the dead take comfort in this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/13/iraq-documents-cabinet-office" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli&#8230;..net-office</a></p>
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