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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s Response to the al-Haramain Smack-Down? Cheneyesque Reasoning</title>
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		<title>By: Jkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 00:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;once again .. i extend heartfelt thanks to bmaz and ew .. and the various legal eagles for decyphering this bullshit for the laymen … y’all do a &lt;strike&gt;very good&lt;/strike&gt; [an] excellent job of explicating these issues .. i can’t thank ya enough for your continuing efforts in de-mucking things ..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once again .. i extend heartfelt thanks to bmaz and ew .. and the various legal eagles for decyphering this bullshit for the laymen … y’all do a <strike>very good</strike> [an] excellent job of explicating these issues .. i can’t thank ya enough for your continuing efforts in de-mucking things ..</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh heh. Yer right; my bad.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a weighty and deep blog we run here……&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh heh. Yer right; my bad.</p>
<p>This is a weighty and deep blog we run here……</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You forgot a line–&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where o where are you tonight&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Why did you leave me here all alone,&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I searched the world over&lt;br /&gt;
and thought I’d found justice&lt;br /&gt;
We met another Bush&lt;br /&gt;
And Phhhhhht we were gone!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You needs that line to set up the rhyme with “gone”  *g*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And why have I memorized (without even trying) rubbish like this rather than the exact wording of Article II of the Constitution?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You forgot a line–</p>
<blockquote><p>Where o where are you tonight<br /><strong>Why did you leave me here all alone,</strong><br />
I searched the world over<br />
and thought I’d found justice<br />
We met another Bush<br />
And Phhhhhht we were gone!</p>
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<p>You needs that line to set up the rhyme with “gone”  *g*</p>
<p>And why have I memorized (without even trying) rubbish like this rather than the exact wording of Article II of the Constitution?</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Interesting how discussions of Obama-Bush DOJ lead inexorably to Hee Haw.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, following Judge Walker’s decision on Monday(?), get ready to cue the DOJ to come forth with the Hee Haw regular segment,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Gloom, despair, and agony on me,&lt;br /&gt;
Deep down depression, excessive misery&lt;br /&gt;
If it weren’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all&lt;br /&gt;
Gloom, despair, and agony on me.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sure EW will figure out a way to once again put her PoMo training to good use.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Interesting how discussions of Obama-Bush DOJ lead inexorably to Hee Haw.</p>
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<p>Well, following Judge Walker’s decision on Monday(?), get ready to cue the DOJ to come forth with the Hee Haw regular segment,</p>
<p><em>Gloom, despair, and agony on me,<br />
Deep down depression, excessive misery<br />
If it weren’t for bad luck I’d have no luck at all<br />
Gloom, despair, and agony on me.</em></p>
<p>I’m sure EW will figure out a way to once again put her PoMo training to good use.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where o where are you tonight&lt;br /&gt;
I searched the world over&lt;br /&gt;
and thought I’d found justice&lt;br /&gt;
We met another Bush&lt;br /&gt;
And Phhhhhht we were gone!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Where o where are you tonight<br />
I searched the world over<br />
and thought I’d found justice<br />
We met another Bush<br />
And Phhhhhht we were gone!</p>
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		<title>By: Oval12345678akaJamesKSayre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oval12345678akaJamesKSayre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 20:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is President Obama going “all the way with LBJ?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;by James K. Sayre&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is President Obama trying to copy the failed notions of President Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ), with his policies of “guns and butter,” as he pursued social progress on the domestic front and imperialism abroad (wars on Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos). By the time President Johnson was driven from office in the Presidential primary elections in early 1968, his record and his legacy were left in shambles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;President Obama is showing early signs of this same sort of moral failure abroad with his remote drone murders of Pakistanis (war crimes), his escalation of our illegal, brutal, ongoing seven-year-old military occupation of Afghanistan (war crimes) and his notion of indefinitely keeping some fifty-thousand American soldiers in Iraq to “protect American interests” (war crimes). Will they just happen to be hanging around Iraqi oil wells? Hmm…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;President Obama is also following the Bush gangster regime’s medieval tyrant viewpoint that Afghanis being held in the US Air Force Base in Bagram, Afghanistan have absolutely no human rights at all; that they have no rights to protest and appeal their endless indefinite imprisonment without charge to any American court of law. This is turning the human rights clock back some eight hundred years, to before the signing of the Magna Carta, by the English King John in 1215. As a constitutional scholar, President Obama should know that this is a bankrupt and evil policy that has no place in America today, and especially not in his Administration with its mantra of “change.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does President Obama believe that human rights end at water’s edge? He has made stirring speeches in defense of civil rights and human rights in his campaign to become President. Does he not feel in his heart of hearts that the Afghani people and the Iraqi people have the right to live free of brutal, hostile military foreign occupations? Maybe President Obama should try rereading our Declaration of Independence and thinking about it from the viewpoint of an Afghani or an Iraqi.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On a small bookcase near my desk and computer, I have a tall newspaper clipping with a picture of then Presidential candidate Barack Obama walking with several other officials through some ancient ruins in Amman, Jordan last July. It was an inspiring scene, especially so in the widely-held public view that as President, Obama would put an end to the arrogant, brutal imperialistic foreign policies of the Bush gangster regime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In recent days, this newspaper clipping has sagged and then finally folded over on itself. Is this a premonition of a coming failure of President Obama to seek a new humanistic foreign policy, and instead, to fall back on continuing the failed Bush imperial aggression and criminal foreign occupations in the Middle East?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is President Obama going “all the way with LBJ?”</p>
<p>by James K. Sayre</p>
<p>Is President Obama trying to copy the failed notions of President Lyndon Baines Johnson (LBJ), with his policies of “guns and butter,” as he pursued social progress on the domestic front and imperialism abroad (wars on Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos). By the time President Johnson was driven from office in the Presidential primary elections in early 1968, his record and his legacy were left in shambles.</p>
<p>President Obama is showing early signs of this same sort of moral failure abroad with his remote drone murders of Pakistanis (war crimes), his escalation of our illegal, brutal, ongoing seven-year-old military occupation of Afghanistan (war crimes) and his notion of indefinitely keeping some fifty-thousand American soldiers in Iraq to “protect American interests” (war crimes). Will they just happen to be hanging around Iraqi oil wells? Hmm…</p>
<p>President Obama is also following the Bush gangster regime’s medieval tyrant viewpoint that Afghanis being held in the US Air Force Base in Bagram, Afghanistan have absolutely no human rights at all; that they have no rights to protest and appeal their endless indefinite imprisonment without charge to any American court of law. This is turning the human rights clock back some eight hundred years, to before the signing of the Magna Carta, by the English King John in 1215. As a constitutional scholar, President Obama should know that this is a bankrupt and evil policy that has no place in America today, and especially not in his Administration with its mantra of “change.”</p>
<p>Does President Obama believe that human rights end at water’s edge? He has made stirring speeches in defense of civil rights and human rights in his campaign to become President. Does he not feel in his heart of hearts that the Afghani people and the Iraqi people have the right to live free of brutal, hostile military foreign occupations? Maybe President Obama should try rereading our Declaration of Independence and thinking about it from the viewpoint of an Afghani or an Iraqi.</p>
<p>On a small bookcase near my desk and computer, I have a tall newspaper clipping with a picture of then Presidential candidate Barack Obama walking with several other officials through some ancient ruins in Amman, Jordan last July. It was an inspiring scene, especially so in the widely-held public view that as President, Obama would put an end to the arrogant, brutal imperialistic foreign policies of the Bush gangster regime.</p>
<p>In recent days, this newspaper clipping has sagged and then finally folded over on itself. Is this a premonition of a coming failure of President Obama to seek a new humanistic foreign policy, and instead, to fall back on continuing the failed Bush imperial aggression and criminal foreign occupations in the Middle East?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interesting how discussions of Obama-Bush DOJ lead inexorably to Hee Haw.  It’s like the Fickle Finger of Fate …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*g* &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m guessing this is not where EW meant a reference to Derrida to end up, although:&lt;br /&gt;
“Everything is arranged so that it be this way, this is what is called culture.”  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting how discussions of Obama-Bush DOJ lead inexorably to Hee Haw.  It’s like the Fickle Finger of Fate …</p>
<p>*g* </p>
<p>I’m guessing this is not where EW meant a reference to Derrida to end up, although:<br />
“Everything is arranged so that it be this way, this is what is called culture.”  </p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Dollar_Band_(country_music_group)&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wiki&lt;/a&gt; they played together over 8 years.  From the write-up I would guess that Cash and Roger Miller only played when they were guests on the show rather than as “official” members of the “band”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Dollar_Band_(country_music_group)" rel="nofollow">wiki</a> they played together over 8 years.  From the write-up I would guess that Cash and Roger Miller only played when they were guests on the show rather than as “official” members of the “band”</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reply function not working. To dakine01:&lt;br /&gt;
yeah, that was the one. Johnny Cash and Chet Atkins with Roger Miller. And Roy Clark’s million dollar ego. What year was that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Hee Haw was the reason the TV became known as the Boob Tube.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply function not working. To dakine01:<br />
yeah, that was the one. Johnny Cash and Chet Atkins with Roger Miller. And Roy Clark’s million dollar ego. What year was that?</p>
<p>I think Hee Haw was the reason the TV became known as the Boob Tube.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are you talking about the &lt;i&gt;Hee Haw Million Dollar Band&lt;/i&gt; with folks like Roy Clark, Johnny Gimble, Charlie McCoy, and Chet Atkins?  (Probably a few other Nashville instrumentalists in there as well).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The actual musicians were a valid reason to watch that show for a few years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you talking about the <i>Hee Haw Million Dollar Band</i> with folks like Roy Clark, Johnny Gimble, Charlie McCoy, and Chet Atkins?  (Probably a few other Nashville instrumentalists in there as well).</p>
<p>The actual musicians were a valid reason to watch that show for a few years.</p>
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