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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING: The 9th Circuit Says State Secrets Can&#8217;t Halt al-Haramain Suit</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/27/breaking-the-9th-says-state-secrets-cant-stop-al-haramain-suit/#comment-138167</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 04:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;2) al-Haramain has very good reason to believe (ie, they’ve seen the wiretap log) that they were wiretapped on March 11, 2004–when we know Bush didn’t even have cover from DOJ.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lots of popcorn.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like a dash of salt and lots of butter, how ’bout you!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>2) al-Haramain has very good reason to believe (ie, they’ve seen the wiretap log) that they were wiretapped on March 11, 2004–when we know Bush didn’t even have cover from DOJ.</p>
<p>Lots of popcorn.</p>
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<p>I like a dash of salt and lots of butter, how ’bout you!</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/27/breaking-the-9th-says-state-secrets-cant-stop-al-haramain-suit/#comment-138156</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought they would at least stay the decision. bmaz thought it was 50/50.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once Walker reviews that document on Monday, it’s hard to put the genie back in the bottle–not for state secrets reasons (Walker’s not going to tell the content of the document). But bc Walker will likely affirm that Bush broke the law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought they would at least stay the decision. bmaz thought it was 50/50.</p>
<p>Once Walker reviews that document on Monday, it’s hard to put the genie back in the bottle–not for state secrets reasons (Walker’s not going to tell the content of the document). But bc Walker will likely affirm that Bush broke the law.</p>
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		<title>By: orionATL</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/27/breaking-the-9th-says-state-secrets-cant-stop-al-haramain-suit/#comment-138155</link>
		<dc:creator>orionATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 02:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;why was this “unexpected”?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i thought the ninth was the most -  maybe the only - liberal* appeals court left in the u.s. of a.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*opposing abusive,intimidating, or coercive  use of government power against individual citizens.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why was this “unexpected”?</p>
<p>i thought the ninth was the most &#8211;  maybe the only &#8211; liberal* appeals court left in the u.s. of a.</p>
<p>*opposing abusive,intimidating, or coercive  use of government power against individual citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/27/breaking-the-9th-says-state-secrets-cant-stop-al-haramain-suit/#comment-138146</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Later all you folks give me hope&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Later all you folks give me hope</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 01:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How does that go “the pot calling the kettle black”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does that go “the pot calling the kettle black”</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, cause, you know, it is simply unthinkable that there might be any ideologues balancing out the ideologues on the Rosen side of the vitriol.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, cause, you know, it is simply unthinkable that there might be any ideologues balancing out the ideologues on the Rosen side of the vitriol.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/27/breaking-the-9th-says-state-secrets-cant-stop-al-haramain-suit/#comment-138141</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If this is “the” Steve Rosen roll on down that thread&lt;br /&gt;
Posted by Steve Rosen, Feb 27 2009, 5:12PM - Link&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Readers of my blog (http://www.meforum.org/blog/obama-mideast-monitor/) know that I have been on the whole quite positive about Obama’s Mideast team, as I was in a Jerusalem post op-ed (http://www.meforum.org/2064/assessing-the-obama-mideast-team). But Freeman is a very different kind of appointment. If the issue with Freeman was just doing business in the Arab world, that would not be an issue at all. But he took $1 million from Saudi Arabia for what he, not I, called public relations activity in the United States. That is not an academic or ordinary business activity. And his writings on Israel are full of vitriol, completely unbalanced. He is anything but “even-handed.” Freman is an ideologue where Israel is concerned, not an analyst.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this is “the” Steve Rosen roll on down that thread<br />
Posted by Steve Rosen, Feb 27 2009, 5:12PM &#8211; Link</p>
<p>Readers of my blog (<a href="http://www.meforum.org/blog/obama-mideast-monitor/" rel="nofollow">http://www.meforum.org/blog/obama-mideast-monitor/</a>) know that I have been on the whole quite positive about Obama’s Mideast team, as I was in a Jerusalem post op-ed (<a href="http://www.meforum.org/2064/assessing-the-obama-mideast-team" rel="nofollow">http://www.meforum.org/2064/assessing-the-obama-mideast-team</a>). But Freeman is a very different kind of appointment. If the issue with Freeman was just doing business in the Arab world, that would not be an issue at all. But he took $1 million from Saudi Arabia for what he, not I, called public relations activity in the United States. That is not an academic or ordinary business activity. And his writings on Israel are full of vitriol, completely unbalanced. He is anything but “even-handed.” Freman is an ideologue where Israel is concerned, not an analyst.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please take a minute to go over and rec &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/27/162351/093/41/702716&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drational’s post on DKos.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He has a couple of links to this thread, so Marcy’s hard work will get more exposure as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please take a minute to go over and rec <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/2/27/162351/093/41/702716" rel="nofollow">drational’s post on DKos.</a> </p>
<p>He has a couple of links to this thread, so Marcy’s hard work will get more exposure as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dammit, after lurking for the better part of 3 days, I go off to share Jello &amp; Pudding to the neighbors’ kids and miss all this fun.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Marcy, your 2nd point is why I’m waiting so eagerly for Judge Walker’s ruling.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit, after lurking for the better part of 3 days, I go off to share Jello &amp; Pudding to the neighbors’ kids and miss all this fun.</p>
<p>Marcy, your 2nd point is why I’m waiting so eagerly for Judge Walker’s ruling.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I’m not nearly so sure of what you &amp; Doug Watts are agreeing on. I mean, the EFFECT &amp; the APPEARANCE are the same, but the MOTIVATION may not be the same, &amp; nor does it require buying into 11D chess to support that. For example, here’s one possible motivating factor: floodgates.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I’m not nearly so sure of what you &amp; Doug Watts are agreeing on. I mean, the EFFECT &amp; the APPEARANCE are the same, but the MOTIVATION may not be the same, &amp; nor does it require buying into 11D chess to support that. For example, here’s one possible motivating factor: floodgates.</p>
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