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	<title>Comments on: Vaughn Walker: Okay Mr. Holder, I&#8217;d Like to See YOUR Work Now</title>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;29 - he WILL file a brief, or at least the lawyers on the case will. BC Walker might find them in contempt if they don’t.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>29 &#8211; he WILL file a brief, or at least the lawyers on the case will. BC Walker might find them in contempt if they don’t.  </p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ALL exercise of discretion–regardless of standards inthe statut are subject to review ofr ebing arbitrary and capricious–I would even argue that with respect to pardons (though on the pardon thingy I may be a minority of one)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, without some statury guidance, it’s hard to show (absent a Rod Blagojevich type tape)  that the exericsie if discretion falls outside actual legal discretion&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL exercise of discretion–regardless of standards inthe statut are subject to review ofr ebing arbitrary and capricious–I would even argue that with respect to pardons (though on the pardon thingy I may be a minority of one)</p>
<p>However, without some statury guidance, it’s hard to show (absent a Rod Blagojevich type tape)  that the exericsie if discretion falls outside actual legal discretion</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 19:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;DIng ding ding. I think Mary has nailed it&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DIng ding ding. I think Mary has nailed it</p>
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		<title>By: Scarecrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scarecrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very helpful.  So this issue Walker is raising is, when Congress said suits get dismissed “if the Attorney General certifies” to the Court that X, Y, and Z happened, Congress meant that the AG could choose to certify or choose not to certify, irrespective of whether X, Y, and Z actually happened.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it’s unlikely the Supremes would buy this argument. They’re more likely to say that what Congress meant was that when the issue comes up in a suit, we expect the AG to look at the facts of whether X, Y, and Z happened, and if they did — it’s a simple factual finding, not a legal analysis — to so certify.  That plausible reading makes sense of the statute and preserves Constitutionality (and is thus preferred).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And since the prior AG has already made the certification, the point is moot. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is the counter-argument to this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful.  So this issue Walker is raising is, when Congress said suits get dismissed “if the Attorney General certifies” to the Court that X, Y, and Z happened, Congress meant that the AG could choose to certify or choose not to certify, irrespective of whether X, Y, and Z actually happened.  </p>
<p>I think it’s unlikely the Supremes would buy this argument. They’re more likely to say that what Congress meant was that when the issue comes up in a suit, we expect the AG to look at the facts of whether X, Y, and Z happened, and if they did — it’s a simple factual finding, not a legal analysis — to so certify.  That plausible reading makes sense of the statute and preserves Constitutionality (and is thus preferred).</p>
<p>And since the prior AG has already made the certification, the point is moot. </p>
<p>What is the counter-argument to this?</p>
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		<title>By: pmorlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>pmorlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In case you missed it USA Today has a poll about investigating Bush crimes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s pretty clear that the public and the media aren’t on the same page. An earlier Washington Post poll showed basically the same thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Poll: Most want inquiry into anti-terror tactics&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
snip.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Close to two-thirds of those surveyed said there should be investigations into allegations that the Bush team used torture to interrogate terrorism suspects and its program of wiretapping U.S. citizens without getting warrants. Almost four in 10 favor criminal investigations and about a quarter want investigations without criminal charges. One-third said they want nothing to be done.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case you missed it USA Today has a poll about investigating Bush crimes.</p>
<p>It’s pretty clear that the public and the media aren’t on the same page. An earlier Washington Post poll showed basically the same thing.</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm" rel="nofollow">Poll: Most want inquiry into anti-terror tactics</a></strong></p>
<p>snip.</p>
<blockquote><p>Close to two-thirds of those surveyed said there should be investigations into allegations that the Bush team used torture to interrogate terrorism suspects and its program of wiretapping U.S. citizens without getting warrants. Almost four in 10 favor criminal investigations and about a quarter want investigations without criminal charges. One-third said they want nothing to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: maryo2</title>
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		<dc:creator>maryo2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does the briefing of then House Majority Leader Tom Delay on the day after Card and Gonzales visited Ashcroft in the hospital have anything to do with Gonzales trying to (pretending to) “ascertain whether the will of Congress has been obeyed”?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the briefing of then House Majority Leader Tom Delay on the day after Card and Gonzales visited Ashcroft in the hospital have anything to do with Gonzales trying to (pretending to) “ascertain whether the will of Congress has been obeyed”?</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/12/obama-social-security-and-the-diamond-orszag-plan/#Respond&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jane up &lt;/a&gt;on social security reform.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/02/12/obama-social-security-and-the-diamond-orszag-plan/#Respond" rel="nofollow">Jane up </a>on social security reform.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
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		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, I try to live in the reality-based world. *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I try to live in the reality-based world. *g*</p>
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		<title>By: JTMinIA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTMinIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;touche&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>touche</p>
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		<title>By: afguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>afguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just have this very uneasy feeling that what’s going on here has little to nothing to do with the LONGTERM good of the country.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just have this very uneasy feeling that what’s going on here has little to nothing to do with the LONGTERM good of the country.</p>
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