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	<title>Comments on: USAMRIID Can&#8217;t Keep Track of Its Microbes</title>
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		<title>By: ColleenaDailyLurker</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/09/usamriid-cant-keep-track-of-its-microbes/#comment-134353</link>
		<dc:creator>ColleenaDailyLurker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;With bacteria you don’t need to remove a vial to take a tiny amount and grow up more. Labs do every day. Trying to go through the database and line up vials is laughable. I do research for a living.  I am sure there are protocols that should be followed, but in the real world not so much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With bacteria you don’t need to remove a vial to take a tiny amount and grow up more. Labs do every day. Trying to go through the database and line up vials is laughable. I do research for a living.  I am sure there are protocols that should be followed, but in the real world not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: whitewidow</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/02/09/usamriid-cant-keep-track-of-its-microbes/#comment-134220</link>
		<dc:creator>whitewidow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Late with this comment, but I’ll add it for the archives.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And there’s one more question:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was everyone who was issued a paycheck an actual person?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From an auditing standpoint, when you trace from the actual vials, etc. forward to the database, then you are testing for completeness. In other words, are all of the assets that exist recorded on the books? Auditors will always do samples both ways. From the records to actual inventory, and from inventory to records. When you go from the books to the inventory, then you are testing for existence. Do all the assets recorded on the books actually exist in the warehouse?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is beyond disturbing that so little care was taken in keeping track of this stuff.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Late with this comment, but I’ll add it for the archives.</p>
<p>And there’s one more question:</p>
<p>Was everyone who was issued a paycheck an actual person?</p>
<p>From an auditing standpoint, when you trace from the actual vials, etc. forward to the database, then you are testing for completeness. In other words, are all of the assets that exist recorded on the books? Auditors will always do samples both ways. From the records to actual inventory, and from inventory to records. When you go from the books to the inventory, then you are testing for existence. Do all the assets recorded on the books actually exist in the warehouse?</p>
<p>It is beyond disturbing that so little care was taken in keeping track of this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT — &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-381-secret-congressional-bailout-report-leaked-what-they-knew-before-bailout/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A previously secret pre-bailout CRS report on the auto companies’ condition and policy options has been found&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT — <a href="http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bailout-watch-381-secret-congressional-bailout-report-leaked-what-they-knew-before-bailout/" rel="nofollow">A previously secret pre-bailout CRS report on the auto companies’ condition and policy options has been found</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i just think it’s a lot, A LOT, harder to keep track of biological samples that can be cultured from a tiny amount - such a tiny amount i don’t see how it would be possible to know it was missing. imo it’s much much harder than, for example, keeping track of radioactive material. stuff that reproduces from microscopic amounts is another matter entirely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if safety is the concern, then imo the first thing we ought to be doing something about is the explosion of building since 911 for bsl-4 labs (iirc ivins only worked in a bsl-3 lab) all over the country including in major metropolitan areas. insane.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. </p>
<p>i just think it’s a lot, A LOT, harder to keep track of biological samples that can be cultured from a tiny amount &#8211; such a tiny amount i don’t see how it would be possible to know it was missing. imo it’s much much harder than, for example, keeping track of radioactive material. stuff that reproduces from microscopic amounts is another matter entirely.</p>
<p>if safety is the concern, then imo the first thing we ought to be doing something about is the explosion of building since 911 for bsl-4 labs (iirc ivins only worked in a bsl-3 lab) all over the country including in major metropolitan areas. insane.</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok, I’ll revise what I said and say that when they discovered that sample, they knew the database was a problem. The FBI and Army have known for quite a while that this was a problem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I’ll revise what I said and say that when they discovered that sample, they knew the database was a problem. The FBI and Army have known for quite a while that this was a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I could, but that’d get me fired…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And it wouldn’t really do any good because they wouldn’t match the IRS records….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The point is, of course, that we do a better job getting payroll taxes right than those guys were doing with tracking their biowarfare samples. I was just going ballistic on somebody this morning because they did something that makes it harder to track what happened with one person for whom we will have to issue a corrected form (only the name is wrong on the W-2, but on Friday it looked like we might have credited the wrong SSN with the wages). In our systems (which I think could be significantly improved), it took mistakes by 4 different people to create the possibility of this problem. In Ft. Detrick’s system, there was essentially no control. It’d be laughable if it weren’t so scary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I could, but that’d get me fired…</p>
<p>And it wouldn’t really do any good because they wouldn’t match the IRS records….</p>
<p>The point is, of course, that we do a better job getting payroll taxes right than those guys were doing with tracking their biowarfare samples. I was just going ballistic on somebody this morning because they did something that makes it harder to track what happened with one person for whom we will have to issue a corrected form (only the name is wrong on the W-2, but on Friday it looked like we might have credited the wrong SSN with the wages). In our systems (which I think could be significantly improved), it took mistakes by 4 different people to create the possibility of this problem. In Ft. Detrick’s system, there was essentially no control. It’d be laughable if it weren’t so scary.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, could well be Cheney. He (and more specifically, his sidekick Scooter “Germ” Libby were in charge of biodefense. That’s why they actually fit most of the motives ascribed to Ivins better than Ivins does.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, could well be Cheney. He (and more specifically, his sidekick Scooter “Germ” Libby were in charge of biodefense. That’s why they actually fit most of the motives ascribed to Ivins better than Ivins does.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
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		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I remember reading a news blip shortly after W was inaugurated that Cheney (or Rumsfeld?) had made an inspection trip to Ft Detrick…he just wanted to see what’s down there since it was in his jurisdiction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hmmmm, must have been Rumsfeld.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My search skills are primitive.  If this seems relevant, would one of you experts see what you can find?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading a news blip shortly after W was inaugurated that Cheney (or Rumsfeld?) had made an inspection trip to Ft Detrick…he just wanted to see what’s down there since it was in his jurisdiction.</p>
<p>hmmmm, must have been Rumsfeld.</p>
<p>My search skills are primitive.  If this seems relevant, would one of you experts see what you can find?</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Incidentally, I was reading this morning that they used a bioterrer law to get the records from the salmonella peanut butter company, which they otherwise couldn’t force the company to turn over.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So Shooter’s obsessions actually had useful application.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I was reading this morning that they used a bioterrer law to get the records from the salmonella peanut butter company, which they otherwise couldn’t force the company to turn over.</p>
<p>So Shooter’s obsessions actually had useful application.</p>
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		<title>By: ezdidit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ezdidit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 21:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I was wondering what Angler was doing still loitering about in D.C. Thanks for clearing that up, Marcy. The next false flag op in the terrorizing opus of Republicans: &lt;strong&gt;bioterror.&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Naked Credit Default Swaps&lt;/strong&gt; weren’t good enough to prove Repugs abject failure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering what Angler was doing still loitering about in D.C. Thanks for clearing that up, Marcy. The next false flag op in the terrorizing opus of Republicans: <strong>bioterror.</strong> </p>
<p><strong>Naked Credit Default Swaps</strong> weren’t good enough to prove Repugs abject failure.</p>
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