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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am sure commenters will cover the recent history, as I continue to read the upthread.  The way I read developments in the Binyam case, carefully, in UK news, and in the pleadings from human rights attorneys, and the leaks from government officials, Bush had Rice threaten Milliband with noncooperation on reconaissance, based on US state secrets in rendition; in other words, payback in a separate area of law enforcement, certainly one in which the UK recognized US had contributed much to domestic intell in UK, and internal intrigue involving UK agents.  I think that was the gum Bush left in the works, a dysfunction Clinton and Holder with help from other leadership counsels in US to extract.  I think there is a way forward for Holder, one he already has announced recognizing, namely, review of the state secrets classification as overbroad in some instances.  I noticed Johnson at Bush EPA claimed in a letter to Boxer he could not tell her why he suppressed air pollution science, as it was a state secret as he implemented the suppressive techniques; at least that is my coloring of Johnson’s exculpatory remarks to Boxer concerning the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080119/news_1n19green.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;redactions&lt;/a&gt; in a report.  I think Patriot released a lot of these avenues of duplicity.  Congress probably will reformulate what is Patriot and what is spurious.  Meanwhile agencies may work with Holder and OMB to remove the whiteout from a few documents.  Johnson’s contention was deliberative privilege.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure commenters will cover the recent history, as I continue to read the upthread.  The way I read developments in the Binyam case, carefully, in UK news, and in the pleadings from human rights attorneys, and the leaks from government officials, Bush had Rice threaten Milliband with noncooperation on reconaissance, based on US state secrets in rendition; in other words, payback in a separate area of law enforcement, certainly one in which the UK recognized US had contributed much to domestic intell in UK, and internal intrigue involving UK agents.  I think that was the gum Bush left in the works, a dysfunction Clinton and Holder with help from other leadership counsels in US to extract.  I think there is a way forward for Holder, one he already has announced recognizing, namely, review of the state secrets classification as overbroad in some instances.  I noticed Johnson at Bush EPA claimed in a letter to Boxer he could not tell her why he suppressed air pollution science, as it was a state secret as he implemented the suppressive techniques; at least that is my coloring of Johnson’s exculpatory remarks to Boxer concerning the <a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20080119/news_1n19green.html" rel="nofollow">redactions</a> in a report.  I think Patriot released a lot of these avenues of duplicity.  Congress probably will reformulate what is Patriot and what is spurious.  Meanwhile agencies may work with Holder and OMB to remove the whiteout from a few documents.  Johnson’s contention was deliberative privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(…) So … they now had a complete picture. The two bucket swingers just had to be co-conspirators in a dirty bomb plot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for clarification on the bucket brigade. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On the stimulus and bank bailouts, he could have Stiglitz and Krugman and Roubini in the mix - but he’s opted for less Nobel Prizey and more centristy.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;centristy&lt;/em&gt; to what… wall street investment banks?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>(…) So … they now had a complete picture. The two bucket swingers just had to be co-conspirators in a dirty bomb plot.</p>
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<p>Thanks for clarification on the bucket brigade. </p>
<blockquote><p>On the stimulus and bank bailouts, he could have Stiglitz and Krugman and Roubini in the mix &#8211; but he’s opted for less Nobel Prizey and more centristy.</p>
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<p><em>centristy</em> to what… wall street investment banks?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;158 - yeah, it is a bit different than my wording bc I didn’t spell out.  Padilla and Mohamed have been basically tied together, with the CIA making dirty bomb charges against both (dropped in Padilla’s case when he had to go to trial, while they were charged against MOhamed at GITMO right about the same time)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ties for the two as “co-consirators” for a “dirty bomb” attack are, on the one hand, Zubaydah’s comement on Padilla:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=11501&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=11501&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…that Abu Zubaydah had dismissed Padilla as “a maladroit extremist.” He told his interrogators that Padilla “was ignorant” and believed he could “separate plutonium” to make a real nuke from other nuclear materials by “rapidly swinging over his head a bucket filled with fissionable material.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;while on the other hand, Mohamed, who had booked a flight on the same plane as Padilla when both had fled to Pakistan and both were trying to get out of Pakistan after the invasion, was discovered by the CIA to have confessed to visiting the hydrogen bomb bucket swinging website.  The one they never could figure out did exist and was a spoof.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So … they now had a complete picture.  The two bucket swingers just had to be co-conspirators in a dirty bomb plot. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On the stimulus and bank bailouts, he could have Stiglitz and Krugman and Roubini in the mix - but he’s opted for less Nobel Prizey and more centristy.  Oh well indeed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>158 &#8211; yeah, it is a bit different than my wording bc I didn’t spell out.  Padilla and Mohamed have been basically tied together, with the CIA making dirty bomb charges against both (dropped in Padilla’s case when he had to go to trial, while they were charged against MOhamed at GITMO right about the same time)</p>
<p>The ties for the two as “co-consirators” for a “dirty bomb” attack are, on the one hand, Zubaydah’s comement on Padilla:<br /><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=11501" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=11501</a></p>
<blockquote><p>…that Abu Zubaydah had dismissed Padilla as “a maladroit extremist.” He told his interrogators that Padilla “was ignorant” and believed he could “separate plutonium” to make a real nuke from other nuclear materials by “rapidly swinging over his head a bucket filled with fissionable material.”</p>
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<p>while on the other hand, Mohamed, who had booked a flight on the same plane as Padilla when both had fled to Pakistan and both were trying to get out of Pakistan after the invasion, was discovered by the CIA to have confessed to visiting the hydrogen bomb bucket swinging website.  The one they never could figure out did exist and was a spoof.</p>
<p>So … they now had a complete picture.  The two bucket swingers just had to be co-conspirators in a dirty bomb plot. </p>
<p>On the stimulus and bank bailouts, he could have Stiglitz and Krugman and Roubini in the mix &#8211; but he’s opted for less Nobel Prizey and more centristy.  Oh well indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;157: ok, I saw your response.  I think that’s a bit different than your wording though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;62 - “Come on people. It’s been 3 weeks.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(…)These aren’t “new” or “suddenly discovered” issues. They are at the heart of what has been out there for years - at the heart of why people wanted to be rid of Bush and vote for “Change”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He has known these issues were on the table for years and has had policy advisors to work with him on them for years.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s sure how I see it… fully agree.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Same judgment applies to his wish-washy stimulus/recovery proposals as well.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I watched his entire presser, would have been mildly encouraged if I was not aware of underlying realities which he (sort’a kind’a) addressed.  He used a lot of words to generalize w/out meaningful specifics (IMO) on most critical subjects.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His statement in response to Sam Stein suggests concerns all of stated here (and elsewhere) over torture/secrets/prosecutions are well founded.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Putting his clout behind “stimulus” package… invoking all the economists who say something must be done, ok fine.  But his speficics on that one as well… I didn’t hear ‘em.  And his comparison of current econ crisis to 90’s Japan: poor analogy, and inaccurately described.  Meaningless AFAIC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh well…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>157: ok, I saw your response.  I think that’s a bit different than your wording though.</p>
<blockquote><p>62 &#8211; “Come on people. It’s been 3 weeks.”</p>
<p>(…)These aren’t “new” or “suddenly discovered” issues. They are at the heart of what has been out there for years &#8211; at the heart of why people wanted to be rid of Bush and vote for “Change”</p>
<p>He has known these issues were on the table for years and has had policy advisors to work with him on them for years.
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<p>That’s sure how I see it… fully agree.</p>
<p>Same judgment applies to his wish-washy stimulus/recovery proposals as well.  </p>
<p>I watched his entire presser, would have been mildly encouraged if I was not aware of underlying realities which he (sort’a kind’a) addressed.  He used a lot of words to generalize w/out meaningful specifics (IMO) on most critical subjects.  </p>
<p>His statement in response to Sam Stein suggests concerns all of stated here (and elsewhere) over torture/secrets/prosecutions are well founded.</p>
<p>Putting his clout behind “stimulus” package… invoking all the economists who say something must be done, ok fine.  But his speficics on that one as well… I didn’t hear ‘em.  And his comparison of current econ crisis to 90’s Japan: poor analogy, and inaccurately described.  Meaningless AFAIC.</p>
<p>Oh well…</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The “scoop” on the bucket swinging to create nuclear fission plot and the degree to which the CIA and Bush admin bought into that.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what are you referring to here?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The “scoop” on the bucket swinging to create nuclear fission plot and the degree to which the CIA and Bush admin bought into that.</p>
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<p>what are you referring to here?</p>
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		<title>By: stryder</title>
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		<dc:creator>stryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 04:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;He might get off on a technicality but he’s going to have to grow wings and fly to get away from Mary&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He might get off on a technicality but he’s going to have to grow wings and fly to get away from Mary</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glenn “They’re embracing a theory that literally places government officials beyond the rule of law.  No minimally honest person who criticized the Bush administration for relying on this instrument can defend the Obama administration for doing so here.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What was it that AG Eric Holder kept repeating during his confirmation hearings&lt;br /&gt;
no one is above the law” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; yeah right&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn “They’re embracing a theory that literally places government officials beyond the rule of law.  No minimally honest person who criticized the Bush administration for relying on this instrument can defend the Obama administration for doing so here.”</p>
<p>What was it that AG Eric Holder kept repeating during his confirmation hearings<br />
no one is above the law” </p>
<p> yeah right</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;4 years will go by really fast if they keep this up&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4 years will go by really fast if they keep this up</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glenn’s take on “state secrets” (lots of updates)&lt;br /&gt;
Obama fails his first test on civil liberties and accountability — resoundingly and disgracefully&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/09/state_secrets/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.salon.com/opinion/g.....index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn’s take on “state secrets” (lots of updates)<br />
Obama fails his first test on civil liberties and accountability — resoundingly and disgracefully<br /><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/02/09/state_secrets/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.salon.com/opinion/g&#8230;..index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, you could sorta see thsi coming with the back off from FISA and protecting the telecoms. Also, more to the point the Dems supporting the “Domestic Terrorism bill” and not mentioning a word about whether the gov would continue spying on US.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;By the way, I hear people are starving in Alaska; coming soon to YOUR neighborhood. &lt;a href=&quot;http://headonradionetwork.com/blog/2009/02/09/alaskans-starving-while-palin-mugs-for-camera/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alaskans Starving While Palin Mugs For Camera&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;O isn’t gonna substantially change a thing. The stimulus is crap and won’t work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think we can all be assured that The Shock Doctrine worked and the USA is now a third world country being dictated to by the IMF and the World Bank. No wonder they wanted Wolfowitz in there. Good thing he’s gone, I guess.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you could sorta see thsi coming with the back off from FISA and protecting the telecoms. Also, more to the point the Dems supporting the “Domestic Terrorism bill” and not mentioning a word about whether the gov would continue spying on US.</p>
<p>By the way, I hear people are starving in Alaska; coming soon to YOUR neighborhood. <a href="http://headonradionetwork.com/blog/2009/02/09/alaskans-starving-while-palin-mugs-for-camera/" rel="nofollow">Alaskans Starving While Palin Mugs For Camera</a></p>
<p>O isn’t gonna substantially change a thing. The stimulus is crap and won’t work.</p>
<p>I think we can all be assured that The Shock Doctrine worked and the USA is now a third world country being dictated to by the IMF and the World Bank. No wonder they wanted Wolfowitz in there. Good thing he’s gone, I guess.</p>
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