Comments on: Taking Out Iraq’s Future Leaders http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: tanbark http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132160 tanbark Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:02:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132160 <p>If Obama is going to get us out in the time-frame that he’s been talking about, a couple of four-star and three-star BushCo asscoverers are going to have to be transferred somewhere:</p> <p><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/02/generals-seek-to-reverse_n_163070.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....63070.html</a></p> If Obama is going to get us out in the time-frame that he’s been talking about, a couple of four-star and three-star BushCo asscoverers are going to have to be transferred somewhere:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..63070.html

]]> By: skdadl http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132145 skdadl Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:29:23 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132145 <p>Thanks very much, eoh. That report is very practical, describes (to some extent anyway) what U.S. practice has been, where conflicts and controversies have been perceived — that was interesting.</p> Thanks very much, eoh. That report is very practical, describes (to some extent anyway) what U.S. practice has been, where conflicts and controversies have been perceived — that was interesting.

]]> By: Loo Hoo. http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132140 Loo Hoo. Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:22:20 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132140 <p>Hey, what’s the difference between immunization and vaccination?</p> Hey, what’s the difference between immunization and vaccination?

]]> By: tanbark http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132132 tanbark Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:22:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132132 <p>BobSchacht @ 84; he can’t afford to let go of him this soon. But as long as leaves him there, along with Odierno channelling George Patton, the two of them will continue to make policy in Iraq. And it won’t be the policy of getting us out. Fairly soon, he’s going to have to replace them with someone who’s not willing to use our military for a career advancement agenda, or as Bush’s residual jackoff rag. </p> <p>It shouldn’t be hard to find someone who understands that we have to leave, and sooner rather than later, and Obama should take advantage of the relative stability, while it holds. I expect 3-6 months, for regime change at CentCom. :o)</p> BobSchacht @ 84; he can’t afford to let go of him this soon. But as long as leaves him there, along with Odierno channelling George Patton, the two of them will continue to make policy in Iraq. And it won’t be the policy of getting us out. Fairly soon, he’s going to have to replace them with someone who’s not willing to use our military for a career advancement agenda, or as Bush’s residual jackoff rag.

It shouldn’t be hard to find someone who understands that we have to leave, and sooner rather than later, and Obama should take advantage of the relative stability, while it holds. I expect 3-6 months, for regime change at CentCom. :o)

]]> By: bluebutterfly http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132070 bluebutterfly Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:48:22 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132070 <p>This trial has been delayed a few times since it began on June 2007. If it goes ahead, it might put an end to rendition.<br /> **************</p> <p>” The Milan trial involves 26 Americans and five Italian intelligence agents charged in the 2003 kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric. Most of the Americans are CIA agents. “</p> <p>” It is the first trial to involve the CIA’s program of secretly transferring terrorism suspects to third countries where, critics of the program contend, they risked torture. “</p> <p>” Judge Oscar Magi suspended the trial until March 18 in the expectation that Italy’s Constitutional Court would have resolved the national security issue by then. A ruling from the high court is due March 10.”</p> <p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/12/03/europe/EU-Italy-CIA-Trial.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/ap.....-Trial.php</a></p> This trial has been delayed a few times since it began on June 2007. If it goes ahead, it might put an end to rendition.
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” The Milan trial involves 26 Americans and five Italian intelligence agents charged in the 2003 kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric. Most of the Americans are CIA agents. “

” It is the first trial to involve the CIA’s program of secretly transferring terrorism suspects to third countries where, critics of the program contend, they risked torture. “

” Judge Oscar Magi suspended the trial until March 18 in the expectation that Italy’s Constitutional Court would have resolved the national security issue by then. A ruling from the high court is due March 10.”

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap…..-Trial.php

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132053 earlofhuntingdon Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:24:50 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132053 <p>As bmaz insists, semantics matter; that’s why Cheney, Addington & Co., went to such lengths to make what they did seem routine when it was a perversion of the law and justice. </p> <p>Rendition is a general term simply meaning rendering or delivering a person up to a requesting state pursuant to one of a variety of processes, extradition today being the most common. </p> <p>Extraordinary rendition is a pun on extradition, which is not its contraction. The latter is a process replete with legal safeguards for an accused. The former is the political version of Augusto Pinocheney slapping his onto the table and claiming it’s the biggest in town. </p> <p>The Congressional Research Service’s 2007 report on rendition and torture contains useful definitions:</p> <p><a href="http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32890.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32890.pdf</a></p> As bmaz insists, semantics matter; that’s why Cheney, Addington & Co., went to such lengths to make what they did seem routine when it was a perversion of the law and justice.

Rendition is a general term simply meaning rendering or delivering a person up to a requesting state pursuant to one of a variety of processes, extradition today being the most common.

Extraordinary rendition is a pun on extradition, which is not its contraction. The latter is a process replete with legal safeguards for an accused. The former is the political version of Augusto Pinocheney slapping his onto the table and claiming it’s the biggest in town.

The Congressional Research Service’s 2007 report on rendition and torture contains useful definitions:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32890.pdf

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132020 earlofhuntingdon Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:40:34 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132020 <p>That should be “extraordinary” rendition rather than simple rendition, though under Bush the former subsumed the latter, hence, the need for an Addington-like adjective to make something new seem venerable and accepted.</p> That should be “extraordinary” rendition rather than simple rendition, though under Bush the former subsumed the latter, hence, the need for an Addington-like adjective to make something new seem venerable and accepted.

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132019 earlofhuntingdon Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:36:53 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132019 <p>That’s pretty close. Extradition is the transfer of alleged criminals from state to state via an agreed international legal process. It provides the person who is the subject of an extradition an opportunity to contest his or her removal in open court. There are various grounds for protest, commonly including that the “crime” be a crime in the sending state as well as the requesting state, that the nature of the punishment to be received on conviction is not abhorrent to the sending state, and that the requesting state’s legal process meet minimum, generally recognized standards of due process. I don’t think that thought crimes and torture qualify. </p> <p>Rendition is pretty much being stuck in the back of the panel van with duct tape covering your opportunity to be heard while en route to an airstrip and an undisclosed location for further enhanced interrogation. Rendition pre-dated the Augusto Cheney regime as an infrequently used extraordinary measure. Adolf Eichmann’s abduction and transport to Israel, for example. As with other steps his administration “invented”, Mr. Cheney made the exceptional, <em>in extremis</em> act common, purported to legalize it, and stripped the object of rendition of any legal process on the receiving end, thereby fundamentally changing the act in all but name. It mirrors what Karl Rove did in making routine campaigning the principal activity, replacing governing, in the White House.</p> That’s pretty close. Extradition is the transfer of alleged criminals from state to state via an agreed international legal process. It provides the person who is the subject of an extradition an opportunity to contest his or her removal in open court. There are various grounds for protest, commonly including that the “crime” be a crime in the sending state as well as the requesting state, that the nature of the punishment to be received on conviction is not abhorrent to the sending state, and that the requesting state’s legal process meet minimum, generally recognized standards of due process. I don’t think that thought crimes and torture qualify.

Rendition is pretty much being stuck in the back of the panel van with duct tape covering your opportunity to be heard while en route to an airstrip and an undisclosed location for further enhanced interrogation. Rendition pre-dated the Augusto Cheney regime as an infrequently used extraordinary measure. Adolf Eichmann’s abduction and transport to Israel, for example. As with other steps his administration “invented”, Mr. Cheney made the exceptional, in extremis act common, purported to legalize it, and stripped the object of rendition of any legal process on the receiving end, thereby fundamentally changing the act in all but name. It mirrors what Karl Rove did in making routine campaigning the principal activity, replacing governing, in the White House.

]]> By: earlofhuntingdon http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132004 earlofhuntingdon Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:14:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-132004 <p>Continuing with the militarization of America. Next up, Jon Stuart in uniform. Well, maybe a nurse’s uniform.</p> Continuing with the militarization of America. Next up, Jon Stuart in uniform. Well, maybe a nurse’s uniform.

]]> By: CTuttle http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-131992 CTuttle Mon, 02 Feb 2009 00:03:23 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/taking-out-iraqs-future-leaders/#comment-131992 <p>I fully agree with your Tenet assessments…! </p> <p>Bob, Here’s bmaz’s <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/30/super-bowl-43-trash-talk-the-red-the-black/#comments" rel="nofollow">Super Bowl Trash Talk thread…</a></p> I fully agree with your Tenet assessments…!

Bob, Here’s bmaz’s Super Bowl Trash Talk thread…

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