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	<title>Comments on: Rove&#8217;s &#8220;Renewed&#8221; Privilege Assertion: Is It Absolute Immunity or Executive Privilege?</title>
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		<title>By: watercarrier4diogenes</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/27/roves-renewed-privilege-assertion-is-it-absolute-immunity-or-executive-privilege/#comment-131336</link>
		<dc:creator>watercarrier4diogenes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you mean Ted Haggard, Larry’s got him on again tonight, with wife AND son.  WHY!!!!!?????!!!!!!?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you mean Ted Haggard, Larry’s got him on again tonight, with wife AND son.  WHY!!!!!?????!!!!!!?</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/27/roves-renewed-privilege-assertion-is-it-absolute-immunity-or-executive-privilege/#comment-131217</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MISSION ACCOMPLISHED&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Billions for defense companies&lt;br /&gt;
Billions for the oil industry&lt;br /&gt;
Billions for Wall Street&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MISSION ACCOMPLISHED</p>
<p>Billions for defense companies<br />
Billions for the oil industry<br />
Billions for Wall Street</p>
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		<title>By: Legion303</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legion303</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Given that GW’s tenuous argument for executive privilege was that he didn’t want his aides to be afraid to speak their minds to him, why is it even remotely relevant now? He’s not the president, and Rove isn’t advising him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unless, you know, he was lying. And there’s no way he would ever do that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that GW’s tenuous argument for executive privilege was that he didn’t want his aides to be afraid to speak their minds to him, why is it even remotely relevant now? He’s not the president, and Rove isn’t advising him.</p>
<p>Unless, you know, he was lying. And there’s no way he would ever do that.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/27/roves-renewed-privilege-assertion-is-it-absolute-immunity-or-executive-privilege/#comment-130875</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dengre’s piece is a good one. I hope he’s right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dengre’s piece is a good one. I hope he’s right.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/27/roves-renewed-privilege-assertion-is-it-absolute-immunity-or-executive-privilege/#comment-130858</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Padilla’s detention was upheld by the 4th Circuit and he appealed to the S.Ct. They took the case and then the government got it dismissed on mootness grounds when they indicted Padilla in Miami, and later convicted him in a civil trial. That was perhaps the best result for the government, because the 4th Circuit’s decision saying a President can snatch you off the street and hold you incommunicado in a military prison without charge still stands as “good law” - i.e., precedent which has to be obeyed. It was never reversed by the Supreme Court.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so the fact that the case was made moot doesn’t affect the appelate rulings in the case ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;common sense would say if the case wasn’t resolved the appelate rulings should be moot too&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Padilla’s detention was upheld by the 4th Circuit and he appealed to the S.Ct. They took the case and then the government got it dismissed on mootness grounds when they indicted Padilla in Miami, and later convicted him in a civil trial. That was perhaps the best result for the government, because the 4th Circuit’s decision saying a President can snatch you off the street and hold you incommunicado in a military prison without charge still stands as “good law” &#8211; i.e., precedent which has to be obeyed. It was never reversed by the Supreme Court.</p>
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<p>so the fact that the case was made moot doesn’t affect the appelate rulings in the case ???</p>
<p>common sense would say if the case wasn’t resolved the appelate rulings should be moot too</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;If Bush is issuing a letter granting immunity is he stating that Rove was operating on his behalf in both the USA firings and the Seligman case?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bushies wanted to say Congress had NO oversight powers. Of course, that’s awfully convenient when your purpose is to do vile awful criminal things and you don’t want Congress to see it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, if the primary immunity from having to testify is based on the President’s need to have his adviser available to him, then Bush has nothing, since Rove isn’t his adviser any more and Bush isn’t President any more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the immunity from having to testify is based on the need for a President to have private advisers and private discussion or debate in the White House, then it would make sense for the next president to continue the immunity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where it’s murky is what Bush might be asking for or offering Rove. Since Rove never showed up to testify (that I recall) he never actually claimed anything before Congress. He needs to actually go before Congress and claim immunity based on something or other. Then it can be hashed out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If Bush is issuing a letter granting immunity is he stating that Rove was operating on his behalf in both the USA firings and the Seligman case?</p>
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<p>Bushies wanted to say Congress had NO oversight powers. Of course, that’s awfully convenient when your purpose is to do vile awful criminal things and you don’t want Congress to see it.</p>
<p>But, if the primary immunity from having to testify is based on the President’s need to have his adviser available to him, then Bush has nothing, since Rove isn’t his adviser any more and Bush isn’t President any more.</p>
<p>If the immunity from having to testify is based on the need for a President to have private advisers and private discussion or debate in the White House, then it would make sense for the next president to continue the immunity.</p>
<p>Where it’s murky is what Bush might be asking for or offering Rove. Since Rove never showed up to testify (that I recall) he never actually claimed anything before Congress. He needs to actually go before Congress and claim immunity based on something or other. Then it can be hashed out.</p>
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		<title>By: azportsider</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/27/roves-renewed-privilege-assertion-is-it-absolute-immunity-or-executive-privilege/#comment-130847</link>
		<dc:creator>azportsider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought Yoo’s testimony was more insulting. Addington’s very &lt;em&gt;existence&lt;/em&gt; is an insult to the human race.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Yoo’s testimony was more insulting. Addington’s very <em>existence</em> is an insult to the human race.</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/27/roves-renewed-privilege-assertion-is-it-absolute-immunity-or-executive-privilege/#comment-130842</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In response to  emptywheel @ 9  (show text)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;    I don’t THINK he’ll do the latter for two reasons. 1) because given all teh TV time Rove has done on tihs, it would seriously diminish EP, and 2) because Bush doesn’t want to get close to the Siegelman stuff at all.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;an observation: amongst quick electronic keyboard typists, it’s my observation that the *e* in the seems to move a slot towards the front-of-the-line w/surprising frequency. In fact, I do it all teh time myself!!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You must be new around here, where the spelling “teh” for “the” is a bit of snark. I’m not sure about the origin, but it is often &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; a typo.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In response to  emptywheel @ 9  (show text)</p>
<blockquote><p>    I don’t THINK he’ll do the latter for two reasons. 1) because given all teh TV time Rove has done on tihs, it would seriously diminish EP, and 2) because Bush doesn’t want to get close to the Siegelman stuff at all.</p>
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<p>an observation: amongst quick electronic keyboard typists, it’s my observation that the *e* in the seems to move a slot towards the front-of-the-line w/surprising frequency. In fact, I do it all teh time myself!!!</p>
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<p>You must be new around here, where the spelling “teh” for “the” is a bit of snark. I’m not sure about the origin, but it is often <strong>not</strong> a typo.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Appleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Appleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Although the law governing executive privilege is unsettled, we do know two things.  First, the privilege is qualified rather than absolute.  Second, it cannot be used as a shield to prevent the disclosure of information related to criminal wrongdoing.  I have no doubt that Mr. Rove can be compelled to appear and testify.  Should he choose for any reason to assert his Fifth Amendment privilege, that is a different matter.  The Congress can cross that bridge when it comes to it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the law governing executive privilege is unsettled, we do know two things.  First, the privilege is qualified rather than absolute.  Second, it cannot be used as a shield to prevent the disclosure of information related to criminal wrongdoing.  I have no doubt that Mr. Rove can be compelled to appear and testify.  Should he choose for any reason to assert his Fifth Amendment privilege, that is a different matter.  The Congress can cross that bridge when it comes to it.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 00:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry to say I agree.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then, that presser’s topic (TARP, “stimulus” particulars etc.) seems remarkably uncertain and in flux, so what’s a Prez Press Sec to do?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to say I agree.</p>
<p>But then, that presser’s topic (TARP, “stimulus” particulars etc.) seems remarkably uncertain and in flux, so what’s a Prez Press Sec to do?</p>
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