Comments on: Coach Bush is 3-23 In Real Courts On Gitmo Show Trials; Katyal, The Hero Of Hamdan, To Join Obama Administration http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: JohnLopresti http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128360 JohnLopresti Tue, 20 Jan 2009 19:46:05 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128360 <p>re prior commenter illusion association of Goldsmith, Katyal. There was a conjoint authorship, both being in the GU teaching mode in 2007 <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/11/opinion/11katyal.html?ex=1341806400&en=05af7338d0f0eb92&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink" rel="nofollow">there</a>, wherein there is discussion of G’s+K’s version of a perhaps civil forum replacement for the extant tribunals onsite at the fueling station in the Caribbean. K long had favored such an approach, as Slate reported the year before, in <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2145512/" rel="nofollow">2006</a>. Obama has continued to entertain that way of sifting tainted evidence. The evidentiary matters K discussed also in a HJC hearing <a href="http://judiciary.house.gov/media/pdfs/Katyal080226.pdf" rel="nofollow">February </a>2008. I think a lot of this is why the transition went smoothly, that rule of law and normal bureaucratic function are stable zones from which to govern. It remains a charged aspect of the cleanup, but obviated Bush’s need to explore presidential pardons; the coffee cooled in the saucer of what looks to be due process. Boumediene kind of made that plain, and its repercussions continue in that court, as DC has found the chink congress thoughtfully left in MCA.</p> re prior commenter illusion association of Goldsmith, Katyal. There was a conjoint authorship, both being in the GU teaching mode in 2007 there, wherein there is discussion of G’s+K’s version of a perhaps civil forum replacement for the extant tribunals onsite at the fueling station in the Caribbean. K long had favored such an approach, as Slate reported the year before, in 2006. Obama has continued to entertain that way of sifting tainted evidence. The evidentiary matters K discussed also in a HJC hearing February 2008. I think a lot of this is why the transition went smoothly, that rule of law and normal bureaucratic function are stable zones from which to govern. It remains a charged aspect of the cleanup, but obviated Bush’s need to explore presidential pardons; the coffee cooled in the saucer of what looks to be due process. Boumediene kind of made that plain, and its repercussions continue in that court, as DC has found the chink congress thoughtfully left in MCA.

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128285 freepatriot Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:10:22 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128285 <p>I survived 8 years under george bush</p> <p>do I get hazard pay or something …</p> I survived 8 years under george bush

do I get hazard pay or something …

]]> By: mui1 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128236 mui1 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:42:20 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128236 <p>Crap I just tried to find Andy Worthington’s site and found:<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-worthington/horror-at-guantanamo-lib_b_84337.html" rel="nofollow">Horror at Guantanamo: Libyan Detainee Infected with AIDS</a>. Last year.</p> <blockquote><p>Candace Gorman, lawyer for Abdul Hamid al-Ghizzawi, a Libyan detainee at Guantanamo, reports that her client has been infected with AIDS. Mr. al-Ghizzawi explained to his lawyer in a letter that he was told about his infection by a doctor at Guantanamo, adding that he believes that the infection took place in 2004, when he was given a blood test, which “resulted in alarm amongst the hospital staff,” although he was not given any explanation for the alarm at the time.</p></blockquote> Crap I just tried to find Andy Worthington’s site and found:Horror at Guantanamo: Libyan Detainee Infected with AIDS. Last year.

Candace Gorman, lawyer for Abdul Hamid al-Ghizzawi, a Libyan detainee at Guantanamo, reports that her client has been infected with AIDS. Mr. al-Ghizzawi explained to his lawyer in a letter that he was told about his infection by a doctor at Guantanamo, adding that he believes that the infection took place in 2004, when he was given a blood test, which “resulted in alarm amongst the hospital staff,” although he was not given any explanation for the alarm at the time.

]]> By: mui1 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128219 mui1 Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:35:20 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128219 <blockquote><p>“The government’s failure in case after case after case to be able to prove its case calls into question everybody who is there,” said Susan Baker Manning, a lawyer for 17 Uighur detainees from western China who were ordered released by a federal judge in October. The Justice Department has appealed that order from a federal district judge, Ricardo M. Urbina, and the men are still at Guantánamo.</p></blockquote> <p>What?!? The justice department is appealing the release of the Uighurs? On what grounds?</p>

“The government’s failure in case after case after case to be able to prove its case calls into question everybody who is there,” said Susan Baker Manning, a lawyer for 17 Uighur detainees from western China who were ordered released by a federal judge in October. The Justice Department has appealed that order from a federal district judge, Ricardo M. Urbina, and the men are still at Guantánamo.

What?!? The justice department is appealing the release of the Uighurs? On what grounds?

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128201 freepatriot Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:18:47 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128201 <p>tattoos and memories, and dead skin on trial</p> <p>good riddance</p> tattoos and memories, and dead skin on trial

good riddance

]]> By: pokums http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128200 pokums Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:15:51 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128200 <p>Not to quibble (the coach still gets fired), but doesn’t the fact that “the government has won only three of the” “rulings for the other 23 detainees [that] occurred in habeas corpus hearings in federal court” mean that W’s/Dick’s record is “exactly” 3 and 20 (and not 3 and 23)?</p> Not to quibble (the coach still gets fired), but doesn’t the fact that “the government has won only three of the” “rulings for the other 23 detainees [that] occurred in habeas corpus hearings in federal court” mean that W’s/Dick’s record is “exactly” 3 and 20 (and not 3 and 23)?

]]> By: freepatriot http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128198 freepatriot Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:15:40 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128198 <p>45 minutes</p> 45 minutes

]]> By: DWBartoo http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128196 DWBartoo Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:13:59 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128196 <p>Just mind your tongue, and your manners.</p> <p>Civil discourse not Civil War.</p> <p>Let THAT be your watchword, FN.</p> Just mind your tongue, and your manners.

Civil discourse not Civil War.

Let THAT be your watchword, FN.

]]> By: bluebutterfly http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128194 bluebutterfly Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:10:37 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128194 <p>Hard not to, isn’t it? The question is..are all trolls of the past two weeks really as uneducated as they seem, or do they all just have a chain rattling fetish?</p> Hard not to, isn’t it? The question is..are all trolls of the past two weeks really as uneducated as they seem, or do they all just have a chain rattling fetish?

]]> By: bluebutterfly http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128187 bluebutterfly Tue, 20 Jan 2009 16:04:54 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/19/coach-bush-is-3-23-in-real-courts-on-gitmo-show-trials-katyal-the-hero-of-hamdan-to-join-obama-administration/#comment-128187 <p>Not OT at all because his ‘revolution’ still happens today.<br /> ****************</p> <p>Business cycles..taking away jobs is rampant irregardless of the cost to people’s lives..outsourcing, etc. and it is just a business cycle to those in power. WTO, IMF, World Bank, NAFTA, CAFTA..and all damn ‘aftas’ to come, Federal Reserve, CFR, DOHA, MIC, the conspiracies of the rich and powerful who intend to stay that way are rampant in our world. There are more of us in this world than there is of them. Who is going to win? Better to go down fighting than to not fight them at all. It is time for a revolution of a type different than what he was referring to in his book.</p> Not OT at all because his ‘revolution’ still happens today.
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Business cycles..taking away jobs is rampant irregardless of the cost to people’s lives..outsourcing, etc. and it is just a business cycle to those in power. WTO, IMF, World Bank, NAFTA, CAFTA..and all damn ‘aftas’ to come, Federal Reserve, CFR, DOHA, MIC, the conspiracies of the rich and powerful who intend to stay that way are rampant in our world. There are more of us in this world than there is of them. Who is going to win? Better to go down fighting than to not fight them at all. It is time for a revolution of a type different than what he was referring to in his book.

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