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	<title>Comments on: We&#8217;re All Detroit, MI Now</title>
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		<title>By: ralphcat52</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/10/were-all-detroit-mi-now/comment-page-1/#comment-126399</link>
		<dc:creator>ralphcat52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Minor correction. The Detroit riot was the previous year; it began on July 23, 1967.  A year later, the city and the entire metropolitan area was in the streets again - the Detroit Tigers won the American League Pennant and reached the 1968 World Series taking on superstars Bob Gibson, Lou Brock and the rest of the St Louis Cardinals.  It was an amazing turn-around for Detroit and a healing experience for all of Michigan (but mostly for southeastern Michigan).  The Cardinals were considered the far superior team and were expected to blow by the inferior Tigers.  It looked like they’d do it, too.  The Cards were up 3 games to 1 and were ready to pop the champagne after one more victory.  But Detroit wasn’t about to quit when they were down - and the Tigers won game 5, game 6, and the deciding game 7.  New songs were written; dances invented; babies conceived; mostly, heads were held high.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minor correction. The Detroit riot was the previous year; it began on July 23, 1967.  A year later, the city and the entire metropolitan area was in the streets again &#8211; the Detroit Tigers won the American League Pennant and reached the 1968 World Series taking on superstars Bob Gibson, Lou Brock and the rest of the St Louis Cardinals.  It was an amazing turn-around for Detroit and a healing experience for all of Michigan (but mostly for southeastern Michigan).  The Cardinals were considered the far superior team and were expected to blow by the inferior Tigers.  It looked like they’d do it, too.  The Cards were up 3 games to 1 and were ready to pop the champagne after one more victory.  But Detroit wasn’t about to quit when they were down &#8211; and the Tigers won game 5, game 6, and the deciding game 7.  New songs were written; dances invented; babies conceived; mostly, heads were held high.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/10/were-all-detroit-mi-now/comment-page-1/#comment-126327</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mitch reminding us.  Charlie Rose’s interview with him about this article ripped my heart out as well as the article.  Mitch is the real deal&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch reminding us.  Charlie Rose’s interview with him about this article ripped my heart out as well as the article.  Mitch is the real deal</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Petra, one of the world’s wealthiest cities in the 1st century BCE, known for its engineering and its wealth from the Spice Trade (in what is now the region near where all those rockets are being fired between Gaza and Israel, FWIW).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also reminds me that the story of King Midas seems to be a metaphor for the earliest coinage.  Midas died of starvation, because ‘everything that he touched turned to gold’, even his food.  This seems to have been a function of the social upheaval and political turmoil of Midas (who almost certainly used his wealth - one of the world’s first ‘plutocrats’ - to control political power), who lived along what’s now the coast of Turkey or Syria around the 8th century BCE.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I often think that CDOs, and CDSs, and eComm are the new, socially and economically destabilizing forms of trade and money — probably the first since the 15th c when corporations began to rear their primordial heads.  And mostly before that, you have to go back to Petra, and then back to Midas.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So yeah, someone remembers ‘Petra’.&lt;br /&gt;
Means a lot more than ‘rock’, and also associated with ‘red rock’ (cinnebar), from which comes the metal mercury.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(You never cease to come up with things that surprise.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petra, one of the world’s wealthiest cities in the 1st century BCE, known for its engineering and its wealth from the Spice Trade (in what is now the region near where all those rockets are being fired between Gaza and Israel, FWIW).</p>
<p>Also reminds me that the story of King Midas seems to be a metaphor for the earliest coinage.  Midas died of starvation, because ‘everything that he touched turned to gold’, even his food.  This seems to have been a function of the social upheaval and political turmoil of Midas (who almost certainly used his wealth &#8211; one of the world’s first ‘plutocrats’ &#8211; to control political power), who lived along what’s now the coast of Turkey or Syria around the 8th century BCE.</p>
<p>I often think that CDOs, and CDSs, and eComm are the new, socially and economically destabilizing forms of trade and money — probably the first since the 15th c when corporations began to rear their primordial heads.  And mostly before that, you have to go back to Petra, and then back to Midas.</p>
<p>So yeah, someone remembers ‘Petra’.<br />
Means a lot more than ‘rock’, and also associated with ‘red rock’ (cinnebar), from which comes the metal mercury.</p>
<p>(You never cease to come up with things that surprise.)</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The ooze….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It burns.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I get melted next Sunday methinks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ooze….</p>
<p>It burns.</p>
<p>I get melted next Sunday methinks.</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey freep… was lookin for you yesterday - I was think about the primordial ooze after that shitty punt bounced off weddle’s helmet…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey freep… was lookin for you yesterday &#8211; I was think about the primordial ooze after that shitty punt bounced off weddle’s helmet…</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;me thinks Specter is about to do a “Terri Shiavo” on himself&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;keep telling us how Eric Holder could be an incompetent toady nitwit criminal just like abu gonzo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t really like specter casting aspersions at Holder&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but I DO LOVE the fact that specter is erasing any doubt about abu gonzo&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;who could doubt that abu gonzo is an incompetent toady nitwit criminal ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;repuglitards are gonna LOVE specter in 2010&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and America is gonna remember that even repuglitards admit that abu gonzo is a war criminal, and not much else&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;cept the fact that specter didn’t say SHIT about abu gonzo until it was politically necessary to say something about abu gonzo&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>me thinks Specter is about to do a “Terri Shiavo” on himself</p>
<p>keep telling us how Eric Holder could be an incompetent toady nitwit criminal just like abu gonzo</p>
<p>I don’t really like specter casting aspersions at Holder</p>
<p>but I DO LOVE the fact that specter is erasing any doubt about abu gonzo</p>
<p>who could doubt that abu gonzo is an incompetent toady nitwit criminal ???</p>
<p>repuglitards are gonna LOVE specter in 2010</p>
<p>and America is gonna remember that even repuglitards admit that abu gonzo is a war criminal, and not much else</p>
<p>cept the fact that specter didn’t say SHIT about abu gonzo until it was politically necessary to say something about abu gonzo</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;as Detroit once benefited from geography, it now suffers&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the Great Lakes were once the center of the auto universe&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;now the auto universe has moved on, and Detroit is still there&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;does anybody remember that Petra was once the center of the trading world ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;trade moved on, and Petra is still there&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know what to tell anybody about this, and I don’t know what it means. But it’s gotta mean somethin …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as Detroit once benefited from geography, it now suffers</p>
<p>the Great Lakes were once the center of the auto universe</p>
<p>now the auto universe has moved on, and Detroit is still there</p>
<p>does anybody remember that Petra was once the center of the trading world ???</p>
<p>trade moved on, and Petra is still there</p>
<p>I don’t know what to tell anybody about this, and I don’t know what it means. But it’s gotta mean somethin …</p>
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		<title>By: BlueStateRedHead</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueStateRedHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 12:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;anyone there?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Interesting take on Specter doing Rove’s bidding and planning Anita Hill II on Holder.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/12/31447/2983/369/683049&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....369/683049&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;EW what do you think?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anyone there?</p>
<p>Interesting take on Specter doing Rove’s bidding and planning Anita Hill II on Holder.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/12/31447/2983/369/683049" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/storyo&#8230;..369/683049</a></p>
<p>EW what do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Incidentally, we went and saw Gran Torino tonight. Eastwood’s character worked in the Ford factory his whole life. It really catches the feeling of the changes to places in the Upper Midwest and how they have degraded over time. Solid film.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, we went and saw Gran Torino tonight. Eastwood’s character worked in the Ford factory his whole life. It really catches the feeling of the changes to places in the Upper Midwest and how they have degraded over time. Solid film.</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 06:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Marcy, great stuff. I headlined the article on my facebook page.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Marcy, great stuff. I headlined the article on my facebook page.</p>
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