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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/steven-rattner/comment-page-1/#comment-126162</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We’ve discussed ad nauseum what bankruptcy would do to GM.  You apparently missed all the discussions outlining the repercussions it would have on the myriad suppliers and on the retirees and other stakeholders.  Farago could give a sh*t about the effect of bankruptcy on any of them because he has no concrete understanding of the business impact.  As far as he’s concerned a car is something with four wheels that he either likes or doesn’t; he does not see see a car as a product of a rather complex global system.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It may be a system that needs housecleaning, but it’s a system that keeps the American economy moving, literally and figuratively; it’s entwined tightly with manufacturers of cars that pain-in-the-ass ignoramus Farago likes, allows them to make the very few foreign made cars he likes that the average American can’t afford, at the expense of those same Americans since they ultimately pay a big chunk of the R&amp;D costs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah.  Dismissed.  Outright?  Hardly.  His puling was given far too much time and consideration already.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’ve discussed ad nauseum what bankruptcy would do to GM.  You apparently missed all the discussions outlining the repercussions it would have on the myriad suppliers and on the retirees and other stakeholders.  Farago could give a sh*t about the effect of bankruptcy on any of them because he has no concrete understanding of the business impact.  As far as he’s concerned a car is something with four wheels that he either likes or doesn’t; he does not see see a car as a product of a rather complex global system.</p>
<p>It may be a system that needs housecleaning, but it’s a system that keeps the American economy moving, literally and figuratively; it’s entwined tightly with manufacturers of cars that pain-in-the-ass ignoramus Farago likes, allows them to make the very few foreign made cars he likes that the average American can’t afford, at the expense of those same Americans since they ultimately pay a big chunk of the R&amp;D costs.</p>
<p>Yeah.  Dismissed.  Outright?  Hardly.  His puling was given far too much time and consideration already.</p>
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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/steven-rattner/comment-page-1/#comment-125748</link>
		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 06:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;… so you’d rather dismiss him outright because he makes a good case for GM to go into bankruptcy? Stay classy, Rayne. This isn’t about the unions. It’s about the survival of the domestic auto industry. smh…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>… so you’d rather dismiss him outright because he makes a good case for GM to go into bankruptcy? Stay classy, Rayne. This isn’t about the unions. It’s about the survival of the domestic auto industry. smh…</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/steven-rattner/comment-page-1/#comment-125704</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not going to read anything by Farago’s outlet. Period. He’s far from unbiased, and he’s got little in common with the Average Joe SixPack if all he’s willing to drive is a Porsche.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Extremely convenient that he’s going to tell the UAW what to do with their own money instead of telling the automakers how to make better cars.  Extremely convenient that he’s down on the UAW in complete synchrony with the rest of the right-wing blogs who are screaming anti-union epithets.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Would be nice if certain people actually made a point of learning what it’s like to work on the line and get their hands dirty and stink of sweat for a living, instead of tooling around in a sports car 90% of Americans can’t afford while preaching.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not going to read anything by Farago’s outlet. Period. He’s far from unbiased, and he’s got little in common with the Average Joe SixPack if all he’s willing to drive is a Porsche.</p>
<p>Extremely convenient that he’s going to tell the UAW what to do with their own money instead of telling the automakers how to make better cars.  Extremely convenient that he’s down on the UAW in complete synchrony with the rest of the right-wing blogs who are screaming anti-union epithets.</p>
<p>Would be nice if certain people actually made a point of learning what it’s like to work on the line and get their hands dirty and stink of sweat for a living, instead of tooling around in a sports car 90% of Americans can’t afford while preaching.</p>
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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/steven-rattner/comment-page-1/#comment-125675</link>
		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not parroting any talking points whatsoever. Did you even bother to read the articles I linked to in my original post? If they’re losing money on this, then they should think about getting rid of it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;smh…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not parroting any talking points whatsoever. Did you even bother to read the articles I linked to in my original post? If they’re losing money on this, then they should think about getting rid of it.</p>
<p>smh…</p>
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		<title>By: AlbertFall</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/steven-rattner/comment-page-1/#comment-125597</link>
		<dc:creator>AlbertFall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A fair point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was thinking of Jobs the Great Marketer of Stuff That Poeple Want, and not of his contributions to them actually working, for which I would assume he Has People.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fair point.</p>
<p>I was thinking of Jobs the Great Marketer of Stuff That Poeple Want, and not of his contributions to them actually working, for which I would assume he Has People.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have you any ken about the golf course industry?  Do your own damned homework; I’ve done mine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nearly ALL of them are struggling. The course my spouse belongs to knocked 30% off his annual fees and those of the rest of his league to keep them there — that’s desperation to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars in revenue for one league alone, to prevent them from going to other courses that are even more desperate.  This state has lost approximately 25% of its courses over the last 8 years (which makes the state’s bizarre approval of a new course on Lake Michigan shoreline incredibly stupid).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why are you haranguing about one course other than it’s owned by blue collar folks?  Is it inconvenient to note how many golf courses owned by staunch conservatives are failing and being sold at auction?  Or is it easier to parrot the right-wing talking points that bubbleheads like Malkin pass off as so much gas?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You might also be very careful about taking on the same winger talking points because the rest of the American golf industry that Malkin et al so studiously ignore as they bash one single golf course is whining about visas for foreign workers while complaining about the downturn in their industry.  So much for improving America’s economy; buying American affects more than automakers and union workers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you any ken about the golf course industry?  Do your own damned homework; I’ve done mine.</p>
<p>Nearly ALL of them are struggling. The course my spouse belongs to knocked 30% off his annual fees and those of the rest of his league to keep them there — that’s desperation to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars in revenue for one league alone, to prevent them from going to other courses that are even more desperate.  This state has lost approximately 25% of its courses over the last 8 years (which makes the state’s bizarre approval of a new course on Lake Michigan shoreline incredibly stupid).</p>
<p>Why are you haranguing about one course other than it’s owned by blue collar folks?  Is it inconvenient to note how many golf courses owned by staunch conservatives are failing and being sold at auction?  Or is it easier to parrot the right-wing talking points that bubbleheads like Malkin pass off as so much gas?</p>
<p>You might also be very careful about taking on the same winger talking points because the rest of the American golf industry that Malkin et al so studiously ignore as they bash one single golf course is whining about visas for foreign workers while complaining about the downturn in their industry.  So much for improving America’s economy; buying American affects more than automakers and union workers.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/steven-rattner/comment-page-1/#comment-125554</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, don’t recover &lt;em&gt;too&lt;/em&gt; completely. Need to keep you off-balance.&lt;br /&gt;
Heh ;-))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, don’t recover <em>too</em> completely. Need to keep you off-balance.<br />
Heh ;-))</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/steven-rattner/comment-page-1/#comment-125544</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jeepers.  Must be the first thing I have said in a while that people agree with.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m a recovering contrarian.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeepers.  Must be the first thing I have said in a while that people agree with.</p>
<p>I’m a recovering contrarian.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/08/steven-rattner/comment-page-1/#comment-125512</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, gawd… don’t let me get started on access to golf courses… (sigh).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sachs is an interesting idea.  Especially at a time when Cerberus is probably in default or near it, which kind of underscores the validity of Sachs’ arguments about the fundamental shifts in the economies, political structures, and technologies that need to happen quickly.  But I see him as advisor, not manager.  If only Howard Dean were interested in the auto sector… his iconoclastic, strategic approach would be useful there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, gawd… don’t let me get started on access to golf courses… (sigh).</p>
<p>Sachs is an interesting idea.  Especially at a time when Cerberus is probably in default or near it, which kind of underscores the validity of Sachs’ arguments about the fundamental shifts in the economies, political structures, and technologies that need to happen quickly.  But I see him as advisor, not manager.  If only Howard Dean were interested in the auto sector… his iconoclastic, strategic approach would be useful there.</p>
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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, defensive much? When the UAW is keeping a private course AND LOSING MONEY ON MAINTAINING IT, it’s fair game. Did you even read the article before going off on me?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, defensive much? When the UAW is keeping a private course AND LOSING MONEY ON MAINTAINING IT, it’s fair game. Did you even read the article before going off on me?</p>
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