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		<title>By: billybugs</title>
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		<dc:creator>billybugs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;These Bushco villains will never see the inside of a jail cell&lt;br /&gt;
They most likely will never even see the inside of a courtroom(criminal court)&lt;br /&gt;
These mega-rich pricks will just buy their way out of this ,Bush has never been held accountable for his fuck-ups family always bails him out.&lt;br /&gt;
Don’t hold your breath waiting for prosecution it gonna happen!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These Bushco villains will never see the inside of a jail cell<br />
They most likely will never even see the inside of a courtroom(criminal court)<br />
These mega-rich pricks will just buy their way out of this ,Bush has never been held accountable for his fuck-ups family always bails him out.<br />
Don’t hold your breath waiting for prosecution it gonna happen!!!</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1,879 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Citizen emptywheel and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It’s a far cry yet from putting Bush in the pokey for his illegal acts.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Indeed, but it is a beginning of a light of accountability to shine on the last 8+ years of lawlessness and corruption…I am not at all certain that anyone will see the inside of a courtroom let alone a jail cell for ANY of the criminal acts from the theft of the entire public treasury to the killing of hundreds of thousands in an illegal war but what we are about to see is jest how far the rot in our federal court system and system of justice extends.  We are beginning to see jest how far the corruption extends in the leadership of the Democratic Party in the Senate and before the fight over Penetta to the CIA concludes we will have a great look at jest how far the corrution extends in our security and secret police structure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have long argued that we have never had a “rule of law” in our country but instead we have had a 200 year struggle to acheive that end…and until the entire legal justification for corporate power is rewritten we will never make progress toward a true “rule of law” society.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanx for the post, keep up the great work and…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THE WAR IS NOW IN OUR LIVINGROOMS!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1,879 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…</p>
<p>Citizen emptywheel and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:</p>
<p>“It’s a far cry yet from putting Bush in the pokey for his illegal acts.”</p>
<p>Indeed, but it is a beginning of a light of accountability to shine on the last 8+ years of lawlessness and corruption…I am not at all certain that anyone will see the inside of a courtroom let alone a jail cell for ANY of the criminal acts from the theft of the entire public treasury to the killing of hundreds of thousands in an illegal war but what we are about to see is jest how far the rot in our federal court system and system of justice extends.  We are beginning to see jest how far the corruption extends in the leadership of the Democratic Party in the Senate and before the fight over Penetta to the CIA concludes we will have a great look at jest how far the corrution extends in our security and secret police structure.</p>
<p>I have long argued that we have never had a “rule of law” in our country but instead we have had a 200 year struggle to acheive that end…and until the entire legal justification for corporate power is rewritten we will never make progress toward a true “rule of law” society.</p>
<p>Thanx for the post, keep up the great work and…</p>
<p>KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THE WAR IS NOW IN OUR LIVINGROOMS!!</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
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		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This will finally put Bush’s behavior in ordering illegal wiretapping under scrutiny by a judge. It’s a far cry, yet, from putting Bush in the pokey for his illegal acts. But at least it is judicial review.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I must say I am excited&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This will finally put Bush’s behavior in ordering illegal wiretapping under scrutiny by a judge. It’s a far cry, yet, from putting Bush in the pokey for his illegal acts. But at least it is judicial review.</p>
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<p>I must say I am excited</p>
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		<title>By: rwcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>rwcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;maybe there will actually be a judgement on this behavior- now that Bush won’t be around to block it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Come on Obama- give us a justice department worthy of the name—try the bastards.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d like to see the govt. prosecute.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe there will actually be a judgement on this behavior- now that Bush won’t be around to block it.</p>
<p>Come on Obama- give us a justice department worthy of the name—try the bastards.</p>
<p>I’d like to see the govt. prosecute.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ms E Wheel - What? Are you channeling your kindred spirit at Indiana-Bloomington already? Keep this up and you’ll have the unwashed thinking there’s no magic in getting a law degree. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Though I think even you have to admit you’ve had SOME help from the Bush administration’s hiring standards.]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms E Wheel &#8211; What? Are you channeling your kindred spirit at Indiana-Bloomington already? Keep this up and you’ll have the unwashed thinking there’s no magic in getting a law degree. </p>
<p>[Though I think even you have to admit you’ve had SOME help from the Bush administration’s hiring standards.]</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m thinking it’ll be more like:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[a] application to Judge Walker to re-hear submissions;&lt;br /&gt;
[b] application to Judge Walker to re-consider decision;&lt;br /&gt;
[c] application to Judge Walker to stay effect of decision pending appeal;&lt;br /&gt;
[d] application to Judge Walker to extend time for production;&lt;br /&gt;
[e] application to appeal court to direct Judge Walker to [a];&lt;br /&gt;
[f] application to appeal court to direct Judge Walker to [b];&lt;br /&gt;
[g] application to appeal court to direct Judge Walker to [c]’&lt;br /&gt;
[h] application to appeal court to direct Judge Walker to [d]’&lt;br /&gt;
[i] emergency application to SCOTUS judge for full court hearing - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;as to which one? Doesn’t matter; they’ll never get to [i].&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On a MacBlago thread here earlier today, I raised how even the convicted still suffer from denial and invoke delay. Given the distance between the Water Boy and iron bars here, I expect it will be a lot more difficult to get the Water Boy’s to focus on the urgency of this situation than either Rezko or Ata. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would very much like to suggest it’s most likely that the ever efficacious Addington is directing the draftsmanship of the relevant pardon documents, but given that recent one with the rubber band attached, I’m not convinced it’s possible to predict that this bunch is capable of demonstrating more cravenness than incompetence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m thinking it’ll be more like:</p>
<p>[a] application to Judge Walker to re-hear submissions;<br />
[b] application to Judge Walker to re-consider decision;<br />
[c] application to Judge Walker to stay effect of decision pending appeal;<br />
[d] application to Judge Walker to extend time for production;<br />
[e] application to appeal court to direct Judge Walker to [a];<br />
[f] application to appeal court to direct Judge Walker to [b];<br />
[g] application to appeal court to direct Judge Walker to [c]’<br />
[h] application to appeal court to direct Judge Walker to [d]’<br />
[i] emergency application to SCOTUS judge for full court hearing &#8211; </p>
<p>as to which one? Doesn’t matter; they’ll never get to [i].</p>
<p>On a MacBlago thread here earlier today, I raised how even the convicted still suffer from denial and invoke delay. Given the distance between the Water Boy and iron bars here, I expect it will be a lot more difficult to get the Water Boy’s to focus on the urgency of this situation than either Rezko or Ata. </p>
<p>I would very much like to suggest it’s most likely that the ever efficacious Addington is directing the draftsmanship of the relevant pardon documents, but given that recent one with the rubber band attached, I’m not convinced it’s possible to predict that this bunch is capable of demonstrating more cravenness than incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am halfway surprised he gave them that long.  I think they will stall by trying to file an interlocutory appeal.  And they will wait until about the 12th day to lodge it; maybe 13th.  They are fuckers, and if I were them, that is what i would do to put a stick in the mud.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am halfway surprised he gave them that long.  I think they will stall by trying to file an interlocutory appeal.  And they will wait until about the 12th day to lodge it; maybe 13th.  They are fuckers, and if I were them, that is what i would do to put a stick in the mud.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Walker is NOT FUCKING AROUND.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You see, he’s demanding the document within two weeks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I checked my calendar. That puts the document in his hand on or before January 19. That is, just before Obama takes office. And well before–given the attempts to obstruct Holder’s nomination–Obama has an AG.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walker is NOT FUCKING AROUND.</p>
<p>You see, he’s demanding the document within two weeks.</p>
<p>I checked my calendar. That puts the document in his hand on or before January 19. That is, just before Obama takes office. And well before–given the attempts to obstruct Holder’s nomination–Obama has an AG.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aw, now Vaughn is just ripping it up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In reply, plaintiffs call attention to the circular nature of the government’s position on their motion:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Do defendants mean to assert their theory of unfettered presidential power over matters of national security —— the very theory plaintiffs seek to challenge in this case —— as a basis for disregarding this court’s FISA preemption ruling and defying the current access proceedings under section 1806(f)? So it seems.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So it seems to the court also.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I gotta say, this bodes very badly for the govt, given that Vaughn Walker is also pondering whether or not he buys Mukasey’s arguments about his certification that the program is legal in regards to the immunity provision passed last year. Walker is pissed as shit at this stuff.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, now Vaughn is just ripping it up.</p>
<blockquote><p>In reply, plaintiffs call attention to the circular nature of the government’s position on their motion:</p>
<blockquote><p>Do defendants mean to assert their theory of unfettered presidential power over matters of national security —— the very theory plaintiffs seek to challenge in this case —— as a basis for disregarding this court’s FISA preemption ruling and defying the current access proceedings under section 1806(f)? So it seems.</p>
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<p>So it seems to the court also.</p>
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<p>I gotta say, this bodes very badly for the govt, given that Vaughn Walker is also pondering whether or not he buys Mukasey’s arguments about his certification that the program is legal in regards to the immunity provision passed last year. Walker is pissed as shit at this stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 04:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Boo.Yah.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Defendants simply continue to insist that § 1806(f) discovery may not be used to litigate the issue of standing; rather, they argue, plaintiffs have failed to establish their “Article III standing” and their case must now be dismissed. But defendants’ contention that plaintiffs must prove more than they have in order to avail themselves of section 1806(f) conflicts with the express primary purpose of in camera review under § 1806(f): “to determine whether the surveillance of the aggrieved person was lawfully authorized and conducted.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shorter Vaughn: You dumbshits are ignoring the very language of FISA.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boo.Yah.</p>
<blockquote><p>Defendants simply continue to insist that § 1806(f) discovery may not be used to litigate the issue of standing; rather, they argue, plaintiffs have failed to establish their “Article III standing” and their case must now be dismissed. But defendants’ contention that plaintiffs must prove more than they have in order to avail themselves of section 1806(f) conflicts with the express primary purpose of in camera review under § 1806(f): “to determine whether the surveillance of the aggrieved person was lawfully authorized and conducted.”</p>
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<p>Shorter Vaughn: You dumbshits are ignoring the very language of FISA.</p>
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