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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124997</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It looks like Burris is going to be sitting in the Senate based on the choice of a governor who has been removed from office (Or, finally, forced to resign) with, down the road, Fitz dropping an indictment on him like it was an anvil.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Couple with Burris’ demonstrating the instincts of a political whore, someone is going to have pay a price for that.   And with the questions about Holder and Emanuel still on the table, and who knows what else when the lid comes off all of this, I just don’t see how it can hurt the american people, the U.S. Senate, Obama’s administration, and not even Roland Burris, if we wait a few weeks.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do agree, that a successor governor cannot undo it, and the if the Senate let’s him in and then decides it was a mistake, then neither can they, at least not without an uphill fight. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is NO harm in slow-tracking this.   We should do that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Burris is going to be sitting in the Senate based on the choice of a governor who has been removed from office (Or, finally, forced to resign) with, down the road, Fitz dropping an indictment on him like it was an anvil.  </p>
<p>Couple with Burris’ demonstrating the instincts of a political whore, someone is going to have pay a price for that.   And with the questions about Holder and Emanuel still on the table, and who knows what else when the lid comes off all of this, I just don’t see how it can hurt the american people, the U.S. Senate, Obama’s administration, and not even Roland Burris, if we wait a few weeks.    </p>
<p>I do agree, that a successor governor cannot undo it, and the if the Senate let’s him in and then decides it was a mistake, then neither can they, at least not without an uphill fight. </p>
<p>There is NO harm in slow-tracking this.   We should do that.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124858</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, hate to say it, but I would take the same position if it were a Republican.  I wouldn’t like it, but then I don’t necessarily like this either.  You are really not going to like this; I don’t think the delay until Blago is impeached and a new governor can make a different appointment ploy necessarily works either.  My inclination, and from what I have been able to discern, Burris is, as he claims, now officially appointed and a successor governor cannot undo that.  Now this is a little less clear than the other issues, but that would be my bet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, hate to say it, but I would take the same position if it were a Republican.  I wouldn’t like it, but then I don’t necessarily like this either.  You are really not going to like this; I don’t think the delay until Blago is impeached and a new governor can make a different appointment ploy necessarily works either.  My inclination, and from what I have been able to discern, Burris is, as he claims, now officially appointed and a successor governor cannot undo that.  Now this is a little less clear than the other issues, but that would be my bet.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124843</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glad we agree on Gaza.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I never said the law was in a state of flux.  I’m saying that there is, at worst, (or best, depending on which side of this you’re on) no basis for claiming that Burris’ right to be seated is absolute.  And until someone can come up with something that proves differently, I think it’s fair to say that.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And what’s really repulsive is that some people are using their VERY selective concern for “rule of law”, to help a corrupt and utterly cynical governor punish the democrats by hanging a political hack like Burris around their necks.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If this were a repub situation, we’d be frothing at the mouth we’d be so outraged at the attempt.  And we’d be right.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and there is a bottom line here.   It’s highly likely that, in the not too distant future, the roof is going to fall in on Blago.  That there are people who are frantic to get Burris into that seat before it happens is getting curiouser and curioser.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What.  Is.   The.   Hurry?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad we agree on Gaza.  </p>
<p>I never said the law was in a state of flux.  I’m saying that there is, at worst, (or best, depending on which side of this you’re on) no basis for claiming that Burris’ right to be seated is absolute.  And until someone can come up with something that proves differently, I think it’s fair to say that.   </p>
<p>And what’s really repulsive is that some people are using their VERY selective concern for “rule of law”, to help a corrupt and utterly cynical governor punish the democrats by hanging a political hack like Burris around their necks.</p>
<p>If this were a repub situation, we’d be frothing at the mouth we’d be so outraged at the attempt.  And we’d be right.</p>
<p>and there is a bottom line here.   It’s highly likely that, in the not too distant future, the roof is going to fall in on Blago.  That there are people who are frantic to get Burris into that seat before it happens is getting curiouser and curioser.  </p>
<p>What.  Is.   The.   Hurry?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124836</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well at least we can agree on that.  It is still wrong, and inherently disingenuous and misleading to the readers of this blog for you to state that the law is in some grand state of flux.  It most certainly is not.  And the argument that personal moral objections are grounds for disregarding the Constitution and rule of law is repulsive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least we can agree on that.  It is still wrong, and inherently disingenuous and misleading to the readers of this blog for you to state that the law is in some grand state of flux.  It most certainly is not.  And the argument that personal moral objections are grounds for disregarding the Constitution and rule of law is repulsive.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
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		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT;  Venezuela has expelled the Israeli ambassador and Israeli embassy personnel. I doubt it will help much with stopping the carnage in Gaza, but it can’t hurt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT;  Venezuela has expelled the Israeli ambassador and Israeli embassy personnel. I doubt it will help much with stopping the carnage in Gaza, but it can’t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124829</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BTW, since I haven’t seen it posted here at Empty Wheel, so; instead of MY statements, let’s use BURRIS’S statements on Burris :o) :&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FOIKG_T0TA&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FOIKG_T0TA&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because, when he says:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The evidence that’s been presented is pretty appalling, should that come out to be the case of what our governor was attempting to do.  I find it reprehensible.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to me, that’s a gilt-edge invitation to find out if that WAS what the governor was attempting to do, plus, Burris then couples it with backing up Lisa Madigan in no uncertain terms, when she called for the Illinois Supremes to oust Blago.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then we have the sordid spectacle of Roland Burris putting his sense of what’s “appalling” and “reprehensible” totally in reverse, and defending Blago (sorta-kinda) for no other reason than Blago’s choosing he, Burris, for that seat.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you add that to the fact that Burris’s right to be seated with NO say on the part of the Senate, is up in the air, AT BEST, and to the fact that the people who want to see Burris seated are having the screaming thigh-sweats to get it done before the roof starts to fall in on Blago, then it’s time to put the brakes on, and let the…errr…rule of law come into play. :o)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Incidentally, since you’re so worried about the legality of it all, why should you object to the legislature issuing a subpoena to Burris?   If he’s squeaky clean, as some people claim, then it will make it more likely for him to be seated.   Same thing with Blago; if the legislature impeaches him and then votes him not guilty of anything, think how good Burris will look, and how bad Reid, etc., will look.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, since I haven’t seen it posted here at Empty Wheel, so; instead of MY statements, let’s use BURRIS’S statements on Burris :o) :</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FOIKG_T0TA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FOIKG_T0TA</a></p>
<p>Because, when he says:</p>
<p>“The evidence that’s been presented is pretty appalling, should that come out to be the case of what our governor was attempting to do.  I find it reprehensible.” </p>
<p>to me, that’s a gilt-edge invitation to find out if that WAS what the governor was attempting to do, plus, Burris then couples it with backing up Lisa Madigan in no uncertain terms, when she called for the Illinois Supremes to oust Blago.  </p>
<p>And then we have the sordid spectacle of Roland Burris putting his sense of what’s “appalling” and “reprehensible” totally in reverse, and defending Blago (sorta-kinda) for no other reason than Blago’s choosing he, Burris, for that seat.  </p>
<p>When you add that to the fact that Burris’s right to be seated with NO say on the part of the Senate, is up in the air, AT BEST, and to the fact that the people who want to see Burris seated are having the screaming thigh-sweats to get it done before the roof starts to fall in on Blago, then it’s time to put the brakes on, and let the…errr…rule of law come into play. :o)</p>
<p>Incidentally, since you’re so worried about the legality of it all, why should you object to the legislature issuing a subpoena to Burris?   If he’s squeaky clean, as some people claim, then it will make it more likely for him to be seated.   Same thing with Blago; if the legislature impeaches him and then votes him not guilty of anything, think how good Burris will look, and how bad Reid, etc., will look.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124818</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No.  You are being inaccurate.  and pompously so, when you insist that the law inexorably requires that Burris be seated.  Article I, Sec. 5 of the constitution clearly gives at least some leeway to the Senate to decide who is fit to come into the Senate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And there is nothing “ill-informed” about my pointing out what you, for some reason, are so diligently ignoring.  That being that Burris is demonstrably, a political hooker, and that he’s been appointed by a politician who is about to be impeached. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ONLY reason that Blago appointed Burris to that seat is to bedevil the democrats.  It has jackshit to do with any qualifications which he may or may not have.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for your concerns about the “rule of law”, I’ll just point out that when you start to whine about the Illinois legislature exercising it’s clear right to subpoena Burris, it makes those concerns smell like week old mackeral that’s been sitting in the sun.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, as always in our little debate, I ask you:  What’s the Rush?  :o)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No.  You are being inaccurate.  and pompously so, when you insist that the law inexorably requires that Burris be seated.  Article I, Sec. 5 of the constitution clearly gives at least some leeway to the Senate to decide who is fit to come into the Senate.</p>
<p>And there is nothing “ill-informed” about my pointing out what you, for some reason, are so diligently ignoring.  That being that Burris is demonstrably, a political hooker, and that he’s been appointed by a politician who is about to be impeached. </p>
<p>The ONLY reason that Blago appointed Burris to that seat is to bedevil the democrats.  It has jackshit to do with any qualifications which he may or may not have.  </p>
<p>As for your concerns about the “rule of law”, I’ll just point out that when you start to whine about the Illinois legislature exercising it’s clear right to subpoena Burris, it makes those concerns smell like week old mackeral that’s been sitting in the sun.</p>
<p>And, as always in our little debate, I ask you:  What’s the Rush?  :o)</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124753</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are being disingenuous, at best, with your “statements” on Burris, which are really effectively ill informed and wrong proclamations, about the law.  The law is actually fairly straightforward, it is just that it does not comport with your personal whims and views.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The law and the Constitution, and the considered and consistent following of it is far more important than that.  Setting a horrendous and unconstitutional precedent is far more dangerous than Mr. Burris.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are being disingenuous, at best, with your “statements” on Burris, which are really effectively ill informed and wrong proclamations, about the law.  The law is actually fairly straightforward, it is just that it does not comport with your personal whims and views.  </p>
<p>The law and the Constitution, and the considered and consistent following of it is far more important than that.  Setting a horrendous and unconstitutional precedent is far more dangerous than Mr. Burris.</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124750</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi, Larue.  The difference is, it looks like Franken’s seating will be held up while Coleman plays his last card, that being a court challenge.   It’s likely that the court will rule in Franken’s favor, and that should be that. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He will have won the seat in a very close election, but he will have won it.   He wasn’t appointed by a governor who’s about to be impeached for trying to sell the same seat that he’s trying to slither into. :o)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good to hear your voice. :o)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Larue.  The difference is, it looks like Franken’s seating will be held up while Coleman plays his last card, that being a court challenge.   It’s likely that the court will rule in Franken’s favor, and that should be that. </p>
<p>He will have won the seat in a very close election, but he will have won it.   He wasn’t appointed by a governor who’s about to be impeached for trying to sell the same seat that he’s trying to slither into. :o)</p>
<p>Good to hear your voice. :o)</p>
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		<title>By: tanbark</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/05/roland-burris-subpoenaed/comment-page-1/#comment-124749</link>
		<dc:creator>tanbark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 19:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scribe; imagine the havoc this shit is ALREADY wreaking. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; We have idiots calling for Reid to resign because he’s trying to keep Blago from planting this time-bomb/hack in the U.S. Senate to embarrass the dems when the roof falls in on Blago. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the best that can be said of their opinion that the Senate has zero say on whom it accepts, is that that is legally, very debatable, and may wind up in the courts.   Which, despite the continued disruption and distraction from our problems, I wouldn’t mind, since it would probably mean that Burris will be trying to gain a Senate seat from an appointment from a politician who has since been removed from office for trying to sell that seat.  :o)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scribe; imagine the havoc this shit is ALREADY wreaking. </p>
<p> We have idiots calling for Reid to resign because he’s trying to keep Blago from planting this time-bomb/hack in the U.S. Senate to embarrass the dems when the roof falls in on Blago. </p>
<p>And the best that can be said of their opinion that the Senate has zero say on whom it accepts, is that that is legally, very debatable, and may wind up in the courts.   Which, despite the continued disruption and distraction from our problems, I wouldn’t mind, since it would probably mean that Burris will be trying to gain a Senate seat from an appointment from a politician who has since been removed from office for trying to sell that seat.  :o)</p>
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