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		<title>By: spoonful</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/28/the-gray-lady-calls-for-a-gas-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-123217</link>
		<dc:creator>spoonful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hmm - let’s create some artificial inflation in order to create a demand for a product not yet in production.  And the consumer will get the funds to pay for this increased price level from . . . ?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm &#8211; let’s create some artificial inflation in order to create a demand for a product not yet in production.  And the consumer will get the funds to pay for this increased price level from . . . ?</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Can you refute some facts?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you asked for it, asshole&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;let’s examine your behavior and establish some facts to refute. You claim:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I am right factually, feel free to ban me because I am a thinking, knowlegable moderate.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;first off, it’s spelled knowledgeable, so you might be trying to do the “right factually” thingy, but you can’t spell for shit&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;second, I don’t know many moderates who begin comments with the words “You are a complete fucking idiot, and dead fucking wrong.”, so you’re a fucking liar when you claim to be a moderate, and a pretty FUCKING SORRY ASSED LIAR at that. leave the lying to the big boys who have the ability to THINK thru the lie, and avoid exposing it, like you did, you fucking PUTZ (I ain’t a “moderate”, or a “pacifist”, I’m a Kickyourassafist”, and I don’t lie about it)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and then we got the third part, thinking&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if ya have to TELL people you’re a thinker, you really AIN’T a thinker, nuff said. If you really are a thinker, your posts will show it, an yours don’t&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and then you claim the ultimate mark of trolldom, the attempt to convince us you’ve been around for years&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I have read this site for a long time, and posted often.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I been readin Marcy for 5 and a half years pal. I was a subscriber back at DKOS in July or August of 2003. (It’s a relationship founded in Plameology). I can remember when Jane got in an argument with Markos, and decided to focus on her own blog (I actually read the posts in real time a DKOS, where I found Marcy) before anybody heard about firedoglake&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I spent a few years learning from the great folks at TNH LOOOOOOONG before Marcy started writing at the lake. and I spent some time reading Christy an Jane when the lake first took flight&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and I don’t remember EVER seeing YOU before (and more importantly, you never seen ME before, which tells EVERYBODY what a fuckin noob you are)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so tell me again about how well you KNOW this site, dickwad&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and your whining about being moderated was just icing on the cake. what did you expect to happen, fuckwad ??? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or let me guess, YOU DIDN’T THINK (see point three above)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(and fwiw, that’s classic troll behavior, doofuss. Please try to do better next time)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;now, Any more questions about my facts? I don’t know much, but I do know fucking trolls, and YOU qualify&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;still wanna do the “right factually” thingy, cuz I can rip your sorry ass up all day long, pal …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;all your trolls are belong to me&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you been around so long, figure that one out buddy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;mmmmm crunchy&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;did I make the case, MsMolly ???&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Can you refute some facts?</strong></p>
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<p>you asked for it, asshole</p>
<p>let’s examine your behavior and establish some facts to refute. You claim:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>I am right factually, feel free to ban me because I am a thinking, knowlegable moderate.</strong></p>
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<p>first off, it’s spelled knowledgeable, so you might be trying to do the “right factually” thingy, but you can’t spell for shit</p>
<p>second, I don’t know many moderates who begin comments with the words “You are a complete fucking idiot, and dead fucking wrong.”, so you’re a fucking liar when you claim to be a moderate, and a pretty FUCKING SORRY ASSED LIAR at that. leave the lying to the big boys who have the ability to THINK thru the lie, and avoid exposing it, like you did, you fucking PUTZ (I ain’t a “moderate”, or a “pacifist”, I’m a Kickyourassafist”, and I don’t lie about it)</p>
<p>and then we got the third part, thinking</p>
<p>if ya have to TELL people you’re a thinker, you really AIN’T a thinker, nuff said. If you really are a thinker, your posts will show it, an yours don’t</p>
<p>and then you claim the ultimate mark of trolldom, the attempt to convince us you’ve been around for years</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>I have read this site for a long time, and posted often.</strong></p>
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<p>I been readin Marcy for 5 and a half years pal. I was a subscriber back at DKOS in July or August of 2003. (It’s a relationship founded in Plameology). I can remember when Jane got in an argument with Markos, and decided to focus on her own blog (I actually read the posts in real time a DKOS, where I found Marcy) before anybody heard about firedoglake</p>
<p>I spent a few years learning from the great folks at TNH LOOOOOOONG before Marcy started writing at the lake. and I spent some time reading Christy an Jane when the lake first took flight</p>
<p>and I don’t remember EVER seeing YOU before (and more importantly, you never seen ME before, which tells EVERYBODY what a fuckin noob you are)</p>
<p>so tell me again about how well you KNOW this site, dickwad</p>
<p>and your whining about being moderated was just icing on the cake. what did you expect to happen, fuckwad ??? </p>
<p>or let me guess, YOU DIDN’T THINK (see point three above)</p>
<p>(and fwiw, that’s classic troll behavior, doofuss. Please try to do better next time)</p>
<p>now, Any more questions about my facts? I don’t know much, but I do know fucking trolls, and YOU qualify</p>
<p>still wanna do the “right factually” thingy, cuz I can rip your sorry ass up all day long, pal …</p>
<p>all your trolls are belong to me</p>
<p>you been around so long, figure that one out buddy</p>
<p><em>mmmmm crunchy</em></p>
<p><em>did I make the case, MsMolly ???</em></p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/28/the-gray-lady-calls-for-a-gas-tax/comment-page-2/#comment-123209</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I’m thinking substance abuse. Who’s with me?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m down for that&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what substance are we gonna abuse ???&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(wink)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>I’m thinking substance abuse. Who’s with me?</strong></p>
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<p>I’m down for that</p>
<p>what substance are we gonna abuse ???</p>
<p>(wink)</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wow, who’s the angry dude? I ain’t never seen that handle ’round these parts!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m thinking substance abuse. Who’s with me?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, who’s the angry dude? I ain’t never seen that handle ’round these parts!</p>
<p>I’m thinking substance abuse. Who’s with me?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have no desire to screw poor people.  Heck, I may even be one.  But the less well off are always going to be hurt by resets like this.  Much of the potential harm can be, and should be, corrected through tax credits, rebates etc.; however, there will always be some that are hurt.  But if the pain had been absorbed in this regard long ago, we would not be at this point.  Delaying it has always been the mantra that has led to exacerbating the problem.  It is time to bite the bullet and absorb the pain; we will all be far better off in the long run.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no desire to screw poor people.  Heck, I may even be one.  But the less well off are always going to be hurt by resets like this.  Much of the potential harm can be, and should be, corrected through tax credits, rebates etc.; however, there will always be some that are hurt.  But if the pain had been absorbed in this regard long ago, we would not be at this point.  Delaying it has always been the mantra that has led to exacerbating the problem.  It is time to bite the bullet and absorb the pain; we will all be far better off in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you’re a dickhead&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and I get to deal with the dickheads around here&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;all our troll are belong to me (them’s the rules)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;keep up the rude behavior, and I’ll be the only one who responds to your troll droppings&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you don’t want that …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you’re a dickhead</p>
<p>and I get to deal with the dickheads around here</p>
<p>all our troll are belong to me (them’s the rules)</p>
<p>keep up the rude behavior, and I’ll be the only one who responds to your troll droppings</p>
<p>you don’t want that …</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not “encourage” better corporate practices - LEGISLATE better corporate practices.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not “encourage” better corporate practices &#8211; LEGISLATE better corporate practices.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Aah, so it’s OK to ream poor people in the name of the greater good? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just got laid off and I am GLAD for the under-priced gas. You creeps who think it’s ok to screw poor people make me sick.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aah, so it’s OK to ream poor people in the name of the greater good? </p>
<p>I just got laid off and I am GLAD for the under-priced gas. You creeps who think it’s ok to screw poor people make me sick.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, so would I.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But at the same time, the choice is clear. You either make policy that at least accounts for market realities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or you don’t make policy pretending that the market is working.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Right now we’re doing the latter with efficiency, claiming that efficient cars are profitable. Obama believes this seriously, actual profitablity notwithstanding.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So either we say, okay, we’re okay if our manufacturing companies aren’t profitable, the efficiency is more important.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or, we make sure our policy is accompanied by policy changes to fix the market.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, so would I.</p>
<p>But at the same time, the choice is clear. You either make policy that at least accounts for market realities.</p>
<p>Or you don’t make policy pretending that the market is working.</p>
<p>Right now we’re doing the latter with efficiency, claiming that efficient cars are profitable. Obama believes this seriously, actual profitablity notwithstanding.</p>
<p>So either we say, okay, we’re okay if our manufacturing companies aren’t profitable, the efficiency is more important.</p>
<p>Or, we make sure our policy is accompanied by policy changes to fix the market.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 03:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; politicians aren’t going to back this policy no matter how necessary, since it’ll be politically unpopular.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe I live in an unusual situation, but I think there’s more support than you suspect.  Or there could be more support if people had any confidence that the people making decisions in government knew WTF they were doing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> politicians aren’t going to back this policy no matter how necessary, since it’ll be politically unpopular.</p>
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<p>Maybe I live in an unusual situation, but I think there’s more support than you suspect.  Or there could be more support if people had any confidence that the people making decisions in government knew WTF they were doing.</p>
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