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	<title>Comments on: George Bush Spent $4 Billion to Kill Chrysler&#8211;on Obama&#8217;s Watch</title>
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		<title>By: ferrarimanf355</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferrarimanf355</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 16:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Um, yeah, I can’t afford a Porsche…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, yeah, I can’t afford a Porsche…</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If Chrysler goes into bankruptcy then Daimler’s shares would be dealt with in the bankruptcy process and probably worth $0.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Chrysler goes into bankruptcy then Daimler’s shares would be dealt with in the bankruptcy process and probably worth $0.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think we’re saying the same thing, then.  If the company faces an impossible choice then viability is already gone and they’re only prolonging the inevitable.  Either the company ends it all sooner or later, or else as you suggest the rules they’re playing under have to change.  But any rule change has to happen soon enough that the company doesn’t succumb in the meanwhile, and there seems to be a conspicuous shortage of white knights at the moment.  So if Chrysler goes Chapter 11 or Chapter 9, the dealers go to the back of the line and the pols can tsk, tsk and blame it all on Detroit knuckle-draggers and commie unions, as the Southern Bloc has been doing for some time now.  Maybe some of the parts (brands etc.) get resurrected by being purchased out of bankruptcy by other car companies.  Don’t know why UAW would want to get stuck with the physical plants given the possible liabilities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we’re saying the same thing, then.  If the company faces an impossible choice then viability is already gone and they’re only prolonging the inevitable.  Either the company ends it all sooner or later, or else as you suggest the rules they’re playing under have to change.  But any rule change has to happen soon enough that the company doesn’t succumb in the meanwhile, and there seems to be a conspicuous shortage of white knights at the moment.  So if Chrysler goes Chapter 11 or Chapter 9, the dealers go to the back of the line and the pols can tsk, tsk and blame it all on Detroit knuckle-draggers and commie unions, as the Southern Bloc has been doing for some time now.  Maybe some of the parts (brands etc.) get resurrected by being purchased out of bankruptcy by other car companies.  Don’t know why UAW would want to get stuck with the physical plants given the possible liabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: victoria2dc</title>
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		<dc:creator>victoria2dc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Question:   Isn’t GMAC in trouble with the credit default swaps… and is that the reason that Cerebus is trying to get out?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m pretty clueless about this car stuff, but it seems that it’s the financial speculators again.  No?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question:   Isn’t GMAC in trouble with the credit default swaps… and is that the reason that Cerebus is trying to get out?</p>
<p>I’m pretty clueless about this car stuff, but it seems that it’s the financial speculators again.  No?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric150</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric150</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is one wrinkle in this; Daimler still owns approximately 20% of Chrysler. So what happens to that share of Chrysler? And why did Daimler retain any portion of Chrysler; it seemed like Daimler wanted to completely wash its hands of the matter? To what extent can Daimler scuttle any potential deal at this point? Or would Daimler be happy to sell off its portion of the company now? I just looked up via Google what the story on this is. Apparently, Cerberus is going to sue Daimler over the original in order to squeeze more money out of Daimler. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a good reason why Cerberus is named after the mythological, multiheaded dog that guards the entrance to Hades; any company that sees this figure is doomed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one wrinkle in this; Daimler still owns approximately 20% of Chrysler. So what happens to that share of Chrysler? And why did Daimler retain any portion of Chrysler; it seemed like Daimler wanted to completely wash its hands of the matter? To what extent can Daimler scuttle any potential deal at this point? Or would Daimler be happy to sell off its portion of the company now? I just looked up via Google what the story on this is. Apparently, Cerberus is going to sue Daimler over the original in order to squeeze more money out of Daimler. </p>
<p>There is a good reason why Cerberus is named after the mythological, multiheaded dog that guards the entrance to Hades; any company that sees this figure is doomed.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that was their deal–they spun off the mortgage side and got some debt released thereby giving them enough cash to be a bank.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that was their deal–they spun off the mortgage side and got some debt released thereby giving them enough cash to be a bank.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’ve got an impossible choice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you go bankrupt and make your cars toxic, bc no one will buy a car from a company in bankruptcy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or do you shed dealers the hard way?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a sane political world, Congress would have dealt with this–there is nothing that Chapter 11 gives you that they can’t legislate (all car sales are, after all, interstate commerce). But fucking with dealers (or even finding a soft landing for them) is politically toxic for politicians, therefore we can’t do that–which would be the best thing for our country.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’ve got an impossible choice.</p>
<p>Do you go bankrupt and make your cars toxic, bc no one will buy a car from a company in bankruptcy?</p>
<p>Or do you shed dealers the hard way?</p>
<p>In a sane political world, Congress would have dealt with this–there is nothing that Chapter 11 gives you that they can’t legislate (all car sales are, after all, interstate commerce). But fucking with dealers (or even finding a soft landing for them) is politically toxic for politicians, therefore we can’t do that–which would be the best thing for our country.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you!! Happy holidays yourself!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!! Happy holidays yourself!!</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I forgot we were dealing with Junior, and ought to be indulgent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL</p>
<p>I forgot we were dealing with Junior, and ought to be indulgent.</p>
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		<title>By: joejoejoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joejoejoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 02:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tomorrow’s WaPo, D1: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/24/AR2008122401848.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&amp;sub=AR&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Fed Clears GMAC Plan To Become A Bank&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Federal Reserve gave General Motors a crucial boost yesterday by approving a request from GMAC, which provides funding for most of the automaker’s dealers and many of its customers, to become a bank holding company. […]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In return, the company is subjecting itself to regulations that could force changes in some business practices and limit its future profitability. For example, GMAC will need to hold more money in reserve against its portfolio of outstanding loans. The Fed also required GM, which owns 49 percent of the company, and Cerberus, the private equity firm that bought 51 percent of the company from GM in 2006, to divest much of their ownerships stakes, because commercial companies are not allowed to own banks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You know Hamsher and Markos and Christy and Duncan. Digby and Bowers and Silver and Krugman. But do you recall the most brilliant blogger of all? Marcy the Red-Nosed Wolverine!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What does this Fed move mean smurt peeple?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomorrow’s WaPo, D1: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/24/AR2008122401848.html?hpid%3Dtopnews&amp;sub=AR" rel="nofollow">Fed Clears GMAC Plan To Become A Bank</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Federal Reserve gave General Motors a crucial boost yesterday by approving a request from GMAC, which provides funding for most of the automaker’s dealers and many of its customers, to become a bank holding company. […]</p>
<p>In return, the company is subjecting itself to regulations that could force changes in some business practices and limit its future profitability. For example, GMAC will need to hold more money in reserve against its portfolio of outstanding loans. The Fed also required GM, which owns 49 percent of the company, and Cerberus, the private equity firm that bought 51 percent of the company from GM in 2006, to divest much of their ownerships stakes, because commercial companies are not allowed to own banks.</p>
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<p>You know Hamsher and Markos and Christy and Duncan. Digby and Bowers and Silver and Krugman. But do you recall the most brilliant blogger of all? Marcy the Red-Nosed Wolverine!</p>
<p>What does this Fed move mean smurt peeple?</p>
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