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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/dicks-talking-points-two/comment-page-1/#comment-122619</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;not likely you’re still checking in, but scott horton has asked the same question you have; why IS cheney doing so much asserting these last couple weeks of bush pardon time?  new year’s eve will most likely be the day to watch.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not likely you’re still checking in, but scott horton has asked the same question you have; why IS cheney doing so much asserting these last couple weeks of bush pardon time?  new year’s eve will most likely be the day to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Mauimom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mauimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyway, the wrapping’s done, I’m dressed in my monkey suit and I’m waiting to commute to Boston to make small talk while dinner’s made with in-laws and a certain daughter’s beau that I really don’t like.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What comes from reading @ 1 am, Maui-time: on first read, I really thought you were dressed in an &lt;strong&gt;actual monkey suit&lt;/strong&gt;, and was wondering how that was going to turn out on a “commute to Boston” [AMTRAK??  TSA screeners?]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On second reading, I believe you are referring to a business suit or formal attire as a “monkey suit.”  Right?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyway, the wrapping’s done, I’m dressed in my monkey suit and I’m waiting to commute to Boston to make small talk while dinner’s made with in-laws and a certain daughter’s beau that I really don’t like.</p>
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<p>What comes from reading @ 1 am, Maui-time: on first read, I really thought you were dressed in an <strong>actual monkey suit</strong>, and was wondering how that was going to turn out on a “commute to Boston” [AMTRAK??  TSA screeners?]</p>
<p>On second reading, I believe you are referring to a business suit or formal attire as a “monkey suit.”  Right?</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/dicks-talking-points-two/comment-page-1/#comment-122540</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 05:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ooh, VERY good point.  there must be something up here; why WOULD cheney’s interview be leaked now?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;one possibility might be someone with ties to scooter maybe leaking in order to get cheney on the case, assuming scooter is getting nervous about the pardon not yet forthcoming.  (am i remembering correctly that a pardoned scooter could no longer plead the 5th if subpoenaed by congress?  this would present quite the dilemma for bush, if so.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but that’s not enough.  cheney’s covering way too much territory for this to be only about scooter.  there’s the torture and wiretapping stuff, too.  i confess i had thought nothing of the dick’s taking this exit opportunity to ’set the record straight’, just for the record, you understand.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;one thing that he seems to be trying to accomplish is to shift the rhetoric from post-obama-election outrage over the bush administration’s criminal activities back to ‘legitimate’ debate on these issues, as if any of their activities could honestly merit ‘legit’ debate, so to speak.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but the leak murray landed puts all that in a more interesting perspective.  your point demands a lot of thought.  we should be reviewing cheney’s recent comments and murray’s article for clues.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ooh, VERY good point.  there must be something up here; why WOULD cheney’s interview be leaked now?  </p>
<p>one possibility might be someone with ties to scooter maybe leaking in order to get cheney on the case, assuming scooter is getting nervous about the pardon not yet forthcoming.  (am i remembering correctly that a pardoned scooter could no longer plead the 5th if subpoenaed by congress?  this would present quite the dilemma for bush, if so.)</p>
<p>but that’s not enough.  cheney’s covering way too much territory for this to be only about scooter.  there’s the torture and wiretapping stuff, too.  i confess i had thought nothing of the dick’s taking this exit opportunity to ’set the record straight’, just for the record, you understand.  </p>
<p>one thing that he seems to be trying to accomplish is to shift the rhetoric from post-obama-election outrage over the bush administration’s criminal activities back to ‘legitimate’ debate on these issues, as if any of their activities could honestly merit ‘legit’ debate, so to speak.  </p>
<p>but the leak murray landed puts all that in a more interesting perspective.  your point demands a lot of thought.  we should be reviewing cheney’s recent comments and murray’s article for clues.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/dicks-talking-points-two/comment-page-1/#comment-122538</link>
		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks for the compliment.  that whole question has bugged the dickens out of me since the original episode in 03; it’s just too stupid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but of course, there are those guys out there swallowing the crapola, like your now bankrupt pal.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;dicks.  the lot o’ them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the compliment.  that whole question has bugged the dickens out of me since the original episode in 03; it’s just too stupid.</p>
<p>but of course, there are those guys out there swallowing the crapola, like your now bankrupt pal.  </p>
<p>dicks.  the lot o’ them.</p>
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		<title>By: tryggth</title>
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		<dc:creator>tryggth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW, its the 24th… have more to share?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Between this and the &lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/scott-mcclellan-dismantles-cheneys-plame-firewall/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post of 8/1&lt;/a&gt;, it seems pretty plausible the Dick did it and that during leak week there was a two prong approach of leading the reporters to the nepotism poisoned waters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More than the “revelation” of Dick’s strategery, isn’t Waas’s buddy firing a shot across someone’s bow?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW, its the 24th… have more to share?</p>
<p>Between this and the <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/08/01/scott-mcclellan-dismantles-cheneys-plame-firewall/" rel="nofollow">post of 8/1</a>, it seems pretty plausible the Dick did it and that during leak week there was a two prong approach of leading the reporters to the nepotism poisoned waters.</p>
<p>More than the “revelation” of Dick’s strategery, isn’t Waas’s buddy firing a shot across someone’s bow?</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Definitely Team W vs. Team Dick in some way, with Team W in ascendency at present.  The financial crisis and bailout has to figure in there somehow, but I am not smart enough to see how.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely Team W vs. Team Dick in some way, with Team W in ascendency at present.  The financial crisis and bailout has to figure in there somehow, but I am not smart enough to see how.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathryn in MA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathryn in MA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jennifer Skalka - “Things have moved on Politically?” What does that mean? Other than the total politicalization of justice?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer Skalka &#8211; “Things have moved on Politically?” What does that mean? Other than the total politicalization of justice?</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hadn’t thought of it that way until I saw your comment a few threads ago, but once you mentioned it and I started watching around… wow, is Cheney putting on the Pardon Me and Pardon Dear Scootie Poot show, or what?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Watch that Shuster clip a couple times — including backing portions of it up — and see how unnatural that CheneyBot is; yet, like Nancy Pltotenhoffer (?sp) she’s blonde, cheery, smiley, and  she’s clearly practice that ‘… the Special Prosecuter has moved on to that &lt;em&gt;fascinating&lt;/em&gt; Gov of Ilinois…’  Let me guess, she minored in P.R.   And I’d sure like to know how many times she practiced her delivery of that line, because it is perfectly phrased to suggest that Cheney is not the target, that this has all been resolved, that David Shuster is just being a bad, overbearing, terrible journo for even so much as inquiring about Cheney’s role in Plame.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Crooks&amp;Liars has a great commentary, however, on Shuster’s faillure to credit Murray Waas, and here’s hoping Shuster apologizes and gives Murray some onscreen love.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But yeah, why the Full Court WSJ OpEd, along with the Cheney interviews, along with the PR babe on the news shows to make it seem like any journalist with the effrontery to even inquire about the significance of this whole Plame mess is just being so… overreaching and obsessive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, looks to me like something’s up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the thing that REALLY makes me think something’s up is this:  why in hell is Cheney’s testimony to the FBI being leaked?  And why are we hearing about it now?  And what else is going ass-over-teakettle now?  (Apart from the markets, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the economy…?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Weird.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn’t thought of it that way until I saw your comment a few threads ago, but once you mentioned it and I started watching around… wow, is Cheney putting on the Pardon Me and Pardon Dear Scootie Poot show, or what?</p>
<p>Watch that Shuster clip a couple times — including backing portions of it up — and see how unnatural that CheneyBot is; yet, like Nancy Pltotenhoffer (?sp) she’s blonde, cheery, smiley, and  she’s clearly practice that ‘… the Special Prosecuter has moved on to that <em>fascinating</em> Gov of Ilinois…’  Let me guess, she minored in P.R.   And I’d sure like to know how many times she practiced her delivery of that line, because it is perfectly phrased to suggest that Cheney is not the target, that this has all been resolved, that David Shuster is just being a bad, overbearing, terrible journo for even so much as inquiring about Cheney’s role in Plame.</p>
<p>Crooks&amp;Liars has a great commentary, however, on Shuster’s faillure to credit Murray Waas, and here’s hoping Shuster apologizes and gives Murray some onscreen love.</p>
<p>But yeah, why the Full Court WSJ OpEd, along with the Cheney interviews, along with the PR babe on the news shows to make it seem like any journalist with the effrontery to even inquire about the significance of this whole Plame mess is just being so… overreaching and obsessive.</p>
<p>Yeah, looks to me like something’s up.</p>
<p>And the thing that REALLY makes me think something’s up is this:  why in hell is Cheney’s testimony to the FBI being leaked?  And why are we hearing about it now?  And what else is going ass-over-teakettle now?  (Apart from the markets, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the economy…?)</p>
<p>Weird.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’ve made every point better than I could, although it took me awhile to be able to articulate that I thought it way too bizarre this was about making Joe Wilson look like a dilettante, dependent husband.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, look at Plame’s job — the elephant in the room, so to speak.&lt;br /&gt;
Then look at billions going to Pakistan, the Khan network, the Afghani heroin trade, and it seems there are no end of potential nefarious actors or suspects.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Although I regret to say that I have a (male) acquaintance who, in a group of people in conversation, actually said something along the lines of: “What’s that Wilson guy bitching about? He’s the one with the gorgeous blond wife.”  No one in the group disagreed with him, but that comment has rattled around in my brain for years — if the American public is that damn stupid, I lose hope.  And yeah, the guy voted for Bush and thought the War In Iraq was going to show the world the US couldn’t be pushed around.  So there is a part of the American public that is so bloody stupid that Cheney’s bullshit goes right by them - especially if it’s associated with the (to them) venerated Wall Street Journal, as is that Libby bleating today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But here’s the rub:  once these guys start losing money, they get pissed.&lt;br /&gt;
That same jackass who bought Cheney’s bullshit five years ago is now almost bankrupt.&lt;br /&gt;
I regard it as cosmic justice, but maybe that makes me a jerk ;-))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’ve made every point better than I could, although it took me awhile to be able to articulate that I thought it way too bizarre this was about making Joe Wilson look like a dilettante, dependent husband.</p>
<p>Yes, look at Plame’s job — the elephant in the room, so to speak.<br />
Then look at billions going to Pakistan, the Khan network, the Afghani heroin trade, and it seems there are no end of potential nefarious actors or suspects.</p>
<p>Although I regret to say that I have a (male) acquaintance who, in a group of people in conversation, actually said something along the lines of: “What’s that Wilson guy bitching about? He’s the one with the gorgeous blond wife.”  No one in the group disagreed with him, but that comment has rattled around in my brain for years — if the American public is that damn stupid, I lose hope.  And yeah, the guy voted for Bush and thought the War In Iraq was going to show the world the US couldn’t be pushed around.  So there is a part of the American public that is so bloody stupid that Cheney’s bullshit goes right by them &#8211; especially if it’s associated with the (to them) venerated Wall Street Journal, as is that Libby bleating today.</p>
<p>But here’s the rub:  once these guys start losing money, they get pissed.<br />
That same jackass who bought Cheney’s bullshit five years ago is now almost bankrupt.<br />
I regard it as cosmic justice, but maybe that makes me a jerk ;-))</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Is Cheney afraid that GWBush might throw him under the bus?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s the vibe I’m getting.  FWIW.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>That’s the vibe I’m getting.  FWIW.</p>
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