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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/blagojevich-report-timeline/#comment-122493</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with this take. It looks to me like the point of the complaint was to prevent the sale of the senate seat, and that seems to have worked.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with this take. It looks to me like the point of the complaint was to prevent the sale of the senate seat, and that seems to have worked.</p>
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		<title>By: masaccio</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/blagojevich-report-timeline/#comment-122485</link>
		<dc:creator>masaccio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re your first point, Obama tends to take time to respond to things and think and study first. The best example of this is their response to Sarah Palin’s nomination, where they let things go on for two days while only the blogs were attacking her. This turned out well for them, and I bet this will be a practice in future troubles wherever possible.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re your first point, Obama tends to take time to respond to things and think and study first. The best example of this is their response to Sarah Palin’s nomination, where they let things go on for two days while only the blogs were attacking her. This turned out well for them, and I bet this will be a practice in future troubles wherever possible.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 08:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i second this - or maybe that should read “third this”, because it appears Fitzgerald himself has dibs on seconding: tinyurl.com/7qrjkt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let the record reflect that as of December 22, 2008, US attorney Fitzgerald is content to release to the Illinois state legislature everything he has on the Senate Seat Sale, while denying to that body and keeping close and safe everything he has the Trib, the Cubbies’ friendly confines and assorted hospitals. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m guessing this is proof positive of the ability of prosecution to prevent crime.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i second this &#8211; or maybe that should read “third this”, because it appears Fitzgerald himself has dibs on seconding: tinyurl.com/7qrjkt.</p>
<p>Let the record reflect that as of December 22, 2008, US attorney Fitzgerald is content to release to the Illinois state legislature everything he has on the Senate Seat Sale, while denying to that body and keeping close and safe everything he has the Trib, the Cubbies’ friendly confines and assorted hospitals. </p>
<p>I’m guessing this is proof positive of the ability of prosecution to prevent crime.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think that if the case were restricted to the things actively discussed in this thread, you might have a pretty decent point about the difficulty of sale to a jury.  However what seems to be easily forgotten in all the discussion of Senate seat versus House seat etc. is that, to me at least, the real meat of the case is the more mundane Chicago graft stuff on the hospital contracts, local pay for play etc.  There looks to be pretty powerful evidence and the usual meticulous Fitzpatrick workup on these matters.  Now assuming they all get tried together, that lays a pretty solid predicate in the jury’s mind about what kind of operator Bolago is/was, and thus makes the odds of getting convictions on the weaker, but more sexy, stuff that we are talking about here, more likely than if they were stand-alone charges as we have been treating them here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if the case were restricted to the things actively discussed in this thread, you might have a pretty decent point about the difficulty of sale to a jury.  However what seems to be easily forgotten in all the discussion of Senate seat versus House seat etc. is that, to me at least, the real meat of the case is the more mundane Chicago graft stuff on the hospital contracts, local pay for play etc.  There looks to be pretty powerful evidence and the usual meticulous Fitzpatrick workup on these matters.  Now assuming they all get tried together, that lays a pretty solid predicate in the jury’s mind about what kind of operator Bolago is/was, and thus makes the odds of getting convictions on the weaker, but more sexy, stuff that we are talking about here, more likely than if they were stand-alone charges as we have been treating them here.</p>
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		<title>By: LabDancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>LabDancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 02:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s because there IS no smoking gun - and certainly not one on the Obama side.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only part of the Complaint that refers to the Senate Seat Sale is in the first count - - which is framed as a conspiracy. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Conspiracy is an INCHOATE crime - along with counseling someone to commit a crime- soliciting someone to commit a crime- and attempting to commit a crime. In none of those cases does one need, as you put it, a smoking gun. Indeed, if an investigation recovers a literal smoking gun [as opposed to a figurative one] then one should expect that investigation to result not in an inchoate crime, but a SUBSTANTIVE crime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even if you mean the term figuratively, then in these circumstances, for example, it’s entirely mundane that even the existence of a smoking gun would be utterly unknown to the Obama side of the equation. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s an important distinction in law between being able to guess that MacBlago might be up to something on the one hand, actually knowing what it was that he was up to, or actually knowing facts from which it would be difficult NOT to conclude that he was up to something criminal on the other.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally on this point, there is not a single inconsistency among any of the Complaint, the Affidavit filed with it, the remarks by Fitzgerald and the FBI at their presser, and this report from Craig for Team Obama - -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;which is different from saying this report from Craig is immaculate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s because there IS no smoking gun &#8211; and certainly not one on the Obama side.</p>
<p>The only part of the Complaint that refers to the Senate Seat Sale is in the first count &#8211; - which is framed as a conspiracy. </p>
<p>Conspiracy is an INCHOATE crime &#8211; along with counseling someone to commit a crime- soliciting someone to commit a crime- and attempting to commit a crime. In none of those cases does one need, as you put it, a smoking gun. Indeed, if an investigation recovers a literal smoking gun [as opposed to a figurative one] then one should expect that investigation to result not in an inchoate crime, but a SUBSTANTIVE crime.</p>
<p>Even if you mean the term figuratively, then in these circumstances, for example, it’s entirely mundane that even the existence of a smoking gun would be utterly unknown to the Obama side of the equation. </p>
<p>There’s an important distinction in law between being able to guess that MacBlago might be up to something on the one hand, actually knowing what it was that he was up to, or actually knowing facts from which it would be difficult NOT to conclude that he was up to something criminal on the other.</p>
<p>Finally on this point, there is not a single inconsistency among any of the Complaint, the Affidavit filed with it, the remarks by Fitzgerald and the FBI at their presser, and this report from Craig for Team Obama &#8211; -</p>
<p>which is different from saying this report from Craig is immaculate.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I do believe that “solicitation” of a bribe is a criminal offense. And I suspect that can go both ways.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blago seems very careful in his approaches with the Obama campaign. But perhaps he may have been more direct in his approaches to Madigan, the SEIU, or people associated with Jesse Jackson, Jr. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All of the contacts with the Obama team would likely have been by phone, so if Fitz was wiretapping it’s likely he knows most of these contacts (unless there were unmonitored phones used). But several of the players were in Chicago, and so there could be contacts on the ground that were not monitored. For example at the Indian dinner.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I do believe that “solicitation” of a bribe is a criminal offense. And I suspect that can go both ways.</p>
<p>Blago seems very careful in his approaches with the Obama campaign. But perhaps he may have been more direct in his approaches to Madigan, the SEIU, or people associated with Jesse Jackson, Jr. </p>
<p>All of the contacts with the Obama team would likely have been by phone, so if Fitz was wiretapping it’s likely he knows most of these contacts (unless there were unmonitored phones used). But several of the players were in Chicago, and so there could be contacts on the ground that were not monitored. For example at the Indian dinner.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excuse me…HHS (not DHS)! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Politico had already suggested that Daschle was on the short-list for HHS Secretary even several days before the election. Gov. Fitzhaber and Howard Dean were also on that rumor list. But Blago was not being considered at all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politickeror.com/brittenchase/3233/kitzhaber-blumenauer-rumor-list-obama-post&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.politickeror.com/br.....obama-post&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me…HHS (not DHS)! </p>
<p>Politico had already suggested that Daschle was on the short-list for HHS Secretary even several days before the election. Gov. Fitzhaber and Howard Dean were also on that rumor list. But Blago was not being considered at all.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.politickeror.com/brittenchase/3233/kitzhaber-blumenauer-rumor-list-obama-post" rel="nofollow">http://www.politickeror.com/br&#8230;..obama-post</a></p>
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		<title>By: runfastandwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>runfastandwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I still don’t see the smoking gun here.  It seems what Blago did was definitely unethical, but how is Fitz going to prove it was illegal?  No money ever changed hands, and no one ever even agreed to pay.  In fact, they all refused point blank.  All I see is Blago trying to figure out way to get paid for his decision, without actually coming right out and saying it, and ultimately being unsuccessful.  If this thing goes to trial like this, Fitz is going to be stuck asking the jurors to read Blago’s mind, never a good tactic with a high profile jury.  I don’t see any path to conviction laid out in the complaint, perhaps when we get an actual indictment it will become apparent.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don’t see the smoking gun here.  It seems what Blago did was definitely unethical, but how is Fitz going to prove it was illegal?  No money ever changed hands, and no one ever even agreed to pay.  In fact, they all refused point blank.  All I see is Blago trying to figure out way to get paid for his decision, without actually coming right out and saying it, and ultimately being unsuccessful.  If this thing goes to trial like this, Fitz is going to be stuck asking the jurors to read Blago’s mind, never a good tactic with a high profile jury.  I don’t see any path to conviction laid out in the complaint, perhaps when we get an actual indictment it will become apparent.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems from the above that Obama’s actions actually impeded several of Blago’s trial efforts. Blago first tried to suggest Madigan over Jarrett…the threat. But that assumed that Jarrett was Obama’s preference for the position. The appointment of Jarrett into the Administration took her “out of play”. Not sure why Madigan was no longer considered…did she opt out as well? Or did it turn out that Blago may have found she wasn’t at all disagreeable to Obama? So when he rose the issue of the 501(c)4 it appears that Blago had very little leverage except in using the seat as a “spite tool”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I don’t see much relationship to the Representatives seat, actually. From the quote above, the reference to the seat was merely that the calls about that would provide an opening to bring up other “unrelated matters”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m a bit stunned that Blago thought that he should be appointed to the Secretary of DHS! Lots of egomania indicated with those thoughts! {I suppose the good sign is that at least he knew he would have to “buy” the position- that he couldn’t get it on his own merits.].&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW when did Obama announce the appointment of DHS Secretary, and when were the short-list candidate rumors for that spot first broached. Maybe these were announced to throw water on Blago’s dreams about his appointment?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems from the above that Obama’s actions actually impeded several of Blago’s trial efforts. Blago first tried to suggest Madigan over Jarrett…the threat. But that assumed that Jarrett was Obama’s preference for the position. The appointment of Jarrett into the Administration took her “out of play”. Not sure why Madigan was no longer considered…did she opt out as well? Or did it turn out that Blago may have found she wasn’t at all disagreeable to Obama? So when he rose the issue of the 501(c)4 it appears that Blago had very little leverage except in using the seat as a “spite tool”.</p>
<p> I don’t see much relationship to the Representatives seat, actually. From the quote above, the reference to the seat was merely that the calls about that would provide an opening to bring up other “unrelated matters”.</p>
<p>I’m a bit stunned that Blago thought that he should be appointed to the Secretary of DHS! Lots of egomania indicated with those thoughts! {I suppose the good sign is that at least he knew he would have to “buy” the position- that he couldn’t get it on his own merits.].</p>
<p>BTW when did Obama announce the appointment of DHS Secretary, and when were the short-list candidate rumors for that spot first broached. Maybe these were announced to throw water on Blago’s dreams about his appointment?</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I sure hope this gets added to your Timeline Collection box!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sure hope this gets added to your Timeline Collection box!</p>
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