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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/guilty-the-fort-dix-five-convicted/comment-page-1/#comment-122115</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New Post Alert&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/fbi-whistleblower-plugs-toobz-stevens-prosecution/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FBI Whistleblower Plugs Toobz Stevens Prosecution&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p><a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/fbi-whistleblower-plugs-toobz-stevens-prosecution/" rel="nofollow">FBI Whistleblower Plugs Toobz Stevens Prosecution</a></p>
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		<title>By: rosalind</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/guilty-the-fort-dix-five-convicted/comment-page-1/#comment-122112</link>
		<dc:creator>rosalind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the Ted Stevens’ FBI whistle blower’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/stevens-case-complaint/?resultpage=1&amp;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;heavily redacted complaint&lt;/a&gt; now up.  excerpt fm page 4:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“The court learned the prosecution redacted information that should not have been redacted.  The court openly chastised government.  Later that day (REDACTED) advised me that (REDACTED) redacted the information and did so because (REDACTED) wanted the FD-302s (REDACTED) was redacting to fit the Brady/Giglio letter that had previously been provided to the defense.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Under “My Motivation to Further Report” (pg. 6):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“I re-read the FBI’s core values and found they have not been upheld in the areas mentioned throughout this document.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the Ted Stevens’ FBI whistle blower’s <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/stevens-case-complaint/?resultpage=1&amp;" rel="nofollow">heavily redacted complaint</a> now up.  excerpt fm page 4:</p>
<blockquote><p>“The court learned the prosecution redacted information that should not have been redacted.  The court openly chastised government.  Later that day (REDACTED) advised me that (REDACTED) redacted the information and did so because (REDACTED) wanted the FD-302s (REDACTED) was redacting to fit the Brady/Giglio letter that had previously been provided to the defense.”</p>
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<p>Under “My Motivation to Further Report” (pg. 6):</p>
<blockquote><p>“I re-read the FBI’s core values and found they have not been upheld in the areas mentioned throughout this document.”</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/guilty-the-fort-dix-five-convicted/comment-page-1/#comment-122099</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT - this piece on the Blago investigation names a lot of names&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/21/AR2008122102334.html?sid=ST2008122200367&amp;s_pos=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....038;s_pos=&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and has a lot of info.  I’m still more shocked and upset over the hospital shakedowns than anything.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT &#8211; this piece on the Blago investigation names a lot of names</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/21/AR2008122102334.html?sid=ST2008122200367&amp;s_pos=" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/&#8230;..038;s_pos=</a></p>
<p>and has a lot of info.  I’m still more shocked and upset over the hospital shakedowns than anything.</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/guilty-the-fort-dix-five-convicted/comment-page-1/#comment-122096</link>
		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If they don’t, Arnold swears he’s gonna sell Nevada to the highest bidder.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they don’t, Arnold swears he’s gonna sell Nevada to the highest bidder.</p>
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		<title>By: bell</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/guilty-the-fort-dix-five-convicted/comment-page-1/#comment-122094</link>
		<dc:creator>bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;this is OT  - i wonder when the state of california is going to get a federal bailout??? is that the next shoe to drop?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is OT  &#8211; i wonder when the state of california is going to get a federal bailout??? is that the next shoe to drop?</p>
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		<title>By: plunger</title>
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		<dc:creator>plunger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All of the evidence required to hang mssrs Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the cabal is posted in the comment thread over on Raw Story:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cheney_33_detainees_suffered_enhanced_interrogation_1222.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rawstory.com/news/2008/....._1222.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Take the time to read the comments and view the links.  Enough evidence to hang the entire administration.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the evidence required to hang mssrs Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld and the rest of the cabal is posted in the comment thread over on Raw Story:</p>
<p><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Cheney_33_detainees_suffered_enhanced_interrogation_1222.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2008/&#8230;.._1222.html</a></p>
<p>Take the time to read the comments and view the links.  Enough evidence to hang the entire administration.</p>
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		<title>By: PierceNichols</title>
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		<dc:creator>PierceNichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think you’re overestimating Reid’s chances… and even he was significantly of a doofus than the Fort Dix clowns. Generally, successful terrorist attacks on Western targets require competent, clueful actors executing a simple plan in order to succeed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which brings us to the essentially self-defeating nature of suicide attacks: they unavoidably result in the death of the most competent people on the first attack, succeed or fail. For instance, the London bombers were the only effective terrorist cell in Britain not under plod or spook surveillance… and now they’re dead, so they can’t train others in how to plan and execute a successful attack against current UK security measures. Same deal with 9/11 attackers — they were able to live in the US for years without attracting much suspicion and were able to closely coordinate four separate attacks for maximum effect (a much harder trick to pull off than it looks). But they’re dead too, so they can’t teach anyone else how to do it. And so on…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you’re overestimating Reid’s chances… and even he was significantly of a doofus than the Fort Dix clowns. Generally, successful terrorist attacks on Western targets require competent, clueful actors executing a simple plan in order to succeed. </p>
<p>Which brings us to the essentially self-defeating nature of suicide attacks: they unavoidably result in the death of the most competent people on the first attack, succeed or fail. For instance, the London bombers were the only effective terrorist cell in Britain not under plod or spook surveillance… and now they’re dead, so they can’t train others in how to plan and execute a successful attack against current UK security measures. Same deal with 9/11 attackers — they were able to live in the US for years without attracting much suspicion and were able to closely coordinate four separate attacks for maximum effect (a much harder trick to pull off than it looks). But they’re dead too, so they can’t teach anyone else how to do it. And so on…</p>
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		<title>By: rosalind</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/guilty-the-fort-dix-five-convicted/comment-page-1/#comment-122079</link>
		<dc:creator>rosalind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;the ted stevens’ whistle-blower is a FBI agent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“I have witnessed or learned of serious violations of policy, rules and procedures as well as possible criminal violations,” the whistleblower asserted in his complaint to the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adn.com/news/politics/fbi/stevens/story/631518.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ADN’s summary&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the ted stevens’ whistle-blower is a FBI agent.</p>
<blockquote><p>“I have witnessed or learned of serious violations of policy, rules and procedures as well as possible criminal violations,” the whistleblower asserted in his complaint to the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.adn.com/news/politics/fbi/stevens/story/631518.html" rel="nofollow">ADN’s summary</a></p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
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		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We’ve had a couple of similar cases here (Toronto), both of which have turned into semi-comedies, mainly because the hyped-up prosecution was messing so obviously with the facts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Toronto_terrorism_case#The_arrests&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this case,&lt;/a&gt; which is an ongoing embarrassment, three levels of government and 400 police officers conspired in a melodramatic arrest of twenty-some suspects two and a half years ago. Most of those arrested were kids or very young men who had no idea what was going on, as subsequent testimony has made clear — they thought they were playing paintball in the woods. There are two agents provocateurs who have been paid millions for what they did. And the numbers of the accused keep going down, down, down. There may be two or three guilty parties here — I’d include the agents provocateurs, actually.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The earlier case is mentioned in that article. When it couldn’t be proved, the accused were just deported on immigration charges.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’ve had a couple of similar cases here (Toronto), both of which have turned into semi-comedies, mainly because the hyped-up prosecution was messing so obviously with the facts.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Toronto_terrorism_case#The_arrests" rel="nofollow">this case,</a> which is an ongoing embarrassment, three levels of government and 400 police officers conspired in a melodramatic arrest of twenty-some suspects two and a half years ago. Most of those arrested were kids or very young men who had no idea what was going on, as subsequent testimony has made clear — they thought they were playing paintball in the woods. There are two agents provocateurs who have been paid millions for what they did. And the numbers of the accused keep going down, down, down. There may be two or three guilty parties here — I’d include the agents provocateurs, actually.</p>
<p>The earlier case is mentioned in that article. When it couldn’t be proved, the accused were just deported on immigration charges.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;28 - all that Onion piece was missing was the name, “Cassandra” on the byline.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28 &#8211; all that Onion piece was missing was the name, “Cassandra” on the byline.</p>
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